Nice guys

http://www.heartless-bitches.com/rants/niceguys/niceguys.shtml said:
Why "Nice Guys" are often such LOSERS

You hear it all the time: "He was such a NICE Guy, and she's such a Heartless Bitch for dumping him."

I get letters from self-professed Nice Guys, complaining that women must WANT to be treated like shit, because THEY, the "Nice Guy" have failed repeatedly in relationships. This is akin to the false logic that "Whales are mammals. Whales live in the sea. Therefore, all mammals live in the sea."

If you have one bad relationship after another, the only common denominator is YOU. Think about it.

What's wrong with Nice Guys? The biggest problem is that most Nice Guys (tm) are hideously insecure. They are so anxious to be liked and loved that they do things for other people to gain acceptance and attention, rather than for the simply pleasure of giving. You never know if a Nice Guy really likes you for who you are, or if he has glommed onto you out of desperation because you actually paid some kind of attention to him.

Nice Guys exude insecurity -- a big red target for the predators of the world. There are women out there who are "users" -- just looking for a sucker to take advantage of. Users home-in on "Nice Guys", stroke their egos, take them for a ride, add a notch to their belts, and move on. It's no wonder so many Nice Guys complain about women being horrible, when the so often the kind of woman that gets attracted to them is the lowest form of life...

Self-confident, caring, decent-hearted women find "Nice Guys" to be too clingy, self-abasing, and insecure.

Nice Guys go overboard. They bring roses to a "lets get together for coffee" date. They try to buy her affections with presents and fancy things. They think they know about romance, but their timing is all wrong, and they either come-on too strong, too hard and too fast, OR, they are so shy and unassertive, that they hang around pretending to be "friends", in the hope that somehow, someway, they will get the courage up to ask her out for a "date".

They are so desperate to please that they put aside their own needs, and place the object of their desire on a pedestal. Instead of appreciating her, they worship her. We are only human, and pedestals are narrow, confining places to be -- not to mention the fact that we tend to fall off of them.

They cling to her, and want to be "one" with her for fear that if she is out of sight, she may disappear or become attracted to someone else. A Nice Guy often has trouble with emotional intimacy, because he believes that if she learns about the REAL person inside, she will no longer love him.

Nice Guys are always asking HER to make the decisions. They think it's being equitable, but it puts an unfair burden of responsibility on her, and gives him the opportunity to blame her if the decision was an unwise one.

Nice Guys rarely speak up when something bothers them, and rarely state clearly what it is they want, need and expect. They fear that any kind of conflict might spell the end of the relationship. Instead of comprimising and negotiating, they repeatedly "give in". When she doesn't appreciate their sacrifice, they will complain that, "Everything I did, I did for her.", as if this somehow elevates them to the status of martyrs. A woman doesn't want a martyr. She wants an equal, caring, adult partner.

Nice Guys think that they will never meet anyone as special as she is. They use their adoration as a foundation for claiming that "no one will ever love her as much as I do." Instead of being a profound statement of their devotion, this is a subtle, but nasty insult. It is akin to saying to her: "You are a difficult person, and only *I* can ever truly love you, so be thankful I'm here."

The nice guy -needs- to believe that he is the best person for the object of his desires, because otherwise his insecurities will overrun him with jealousies and fear. The truth of the matter is that there are many people out there who can be a good match for her. We rarely stop loving people we truly care about. Even if we no longer continue the relationship, the feelings will continue... But love isn't mutually exclusive. We can (and do) love many people in our lives, and romantic love is really no different. Though he may love her immensely, there will likely be other people who have loved her just as much in her past, and will love her just as much in the future. The irony of it all is: "Who would want to go out with someone who was inherintly unlovable anyways?"

More than loving the woman in his life, a Nice Guy NEEDS her. "She is my Life, my only source of happiness..." YECH! What kind of a burden is that to place on her? That SHE has to be responsible for YOUR happiness? Get a grip!

Another mistake Nice Guys make is to go after "hard luck" cases. They deliberately pick women with neuroses, problems, and personality disorders, because Nice Guys are "helpers". A Nice Guy thinks that by "helping" this woman, it will make him a better, more lovable person. He thinks it will give him a sense of accomplishment, and that she will appreciate and love him more, for all his efforts and sacrifice. He is usually disappointed by the results.

This ultimately boils down to the fact that Nice Guys don't like themselves. Is it any wonder women don't like them? In order to truly love someone else, you must first love yourself. Too often Nice Guys mistake obsession for "love".

Get this Guys: INSECURITY ISN'T SEXY. IT'S A TURNOFF.

You don't have to be an ego-inflated, arrogant jerk. You just have to LIKE yourself. You have to know what you want out of life, and go after it. Only then will you be attractive to the kind of woman with whom a long-term relationship is possible.
 

SocialButterSlip

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can they write on other types of men, eh? like the sperm donor :p, I wont lie but I do find women with neuroses,drug problems, and personality disorders sexy lol.
 

chris420

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Get confident -> 'nice guy' disappears. You can fake confidence though, until you get more comfortable with her.
 

Kien

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chris420 said:
Get confident -> 'nice guy' disappears. You can fake confidence though, until you get more comfortable with her.
Eeehh... It's not the lack of confidence that makes one nice. It's in the personality that the guy is a nice person. A person is not nice because something is wrong with him.
 

chris420

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Kien said:
chris420 said:
Get confident -> 'nice guy' disappears. You can fake confidence though, until you get more comfortable with her.
Eeehh... It's not the lack of confidence that makes one nice. It's in the personality that the guy is a nice person. A person is not nice because something is wrong with him.

Read the article...they are talking about insecurity, lack of confidence etc.

'Nice guy' is not a personality type, it shows a guy is not being true to himself, from the perspective of the girl he is missing something.
 

Richey

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Again simply put this is one big generalization that amounts to nothing, i've had friends and relationships with people and people are usually complex personality wise, ok yeh confidence is attractive and you can be nice and have confidence, you can be nasty and have confidence, but you can also have friendships with people who do have low self-esteem and that are shy, believe it or not and ive had a friend like that and i never judged, i just tried to help her out by showing i was interested in her and that i gave a shit, it doesnt make you any less worthy ...
so it doesnt reprasent everybodies outlook, but yeh often girls will typecast a certain character, and its their choice to do that ..but there will be people who arn't as superficial and just like the company of others.

so if you watch alot of Tv and mainstream films i'd agree with you but its just not how it is ..
 

bleach

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Kien said:
chris420 said:
Get confident -> 'nice guy' disappears. You can fake confidence though, until you get more comfortable with her.
Eeehh... It's not the lack of confidence that makes one nice. It's in the personality that the guy is a nice person. A person is not nice because something is wrong with him.

Get the fuck over yourself.

You aren't a nice person.

"I wish we could see into the future of peoples lives when they are born. Then we could kill all babies who's going to be bad people. Robbers, bullying kids, murderers etc. Just put a gun at the baby's head."

The words of a true philanthropist, eh?

It is ridiculous that all of you "nice guys" should even need to keep proclaiming your niceness in threads like this. What are you trying to prove? To me you should like a bunch of bitter dicks who are so in love with yourselves that you can't believe that anyone could dislike such a "nice guy".

And none of you seem to value other people aside from the ways they can love you, pay attention to you, spend time with you.

You all bitch about being pigeon-holed and discriminated against for your "niceness" (actually gutlessness), but hypocritically do the same thing to everyone else you meet.

"Chicks like assholes. They're so shallow."

*Gag*

I don't know why I bother making this post over and over again, none of you will read it anyway. Enjoy your hollow, shallow lives.
 

chris420

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Bleach, that was uncalled for dude!! (In this thread at least). I don't think Kien was proclaiming to be a nice guy, just stating an opinion? The definition of 'nice guy' is not totally clear anyway and may mean diff. things to people, I was going by the meaning of te original article.

Without much social experience you will have skewed views on relationships/friends, it's the way the mind pieces things together to get a general picture based on whatever evidence it has. We ALL have certain warped perceptions, more so with SA or depression, anyone who has used CBT will realise this. Best thing we can do is recognize them and strive for the truth :wink:
 

that1guy

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basically, this "nice guy" article sums it up for me of why I ahve never had a true girlfriend
 

recluse

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Basically being called the ''nice guy'' means a walkover. I am so confused because i try my best to be polite to people yet i am described as a walkover by people i work with. I just don't know what front to give to people, i mean if i be more mean will people like me more?

So basically if girls don't dig the ''nice guy'' i am fucked?
 

Carstuar

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recluse said:
Basically being called the ''nice guy'' means a walkover. I am so confused because i try my best to be polite to people yet i am described as a walkover by people i work with. I just don't know what front to give to people, i mean if i be more mean will people like me more?

So basically if girls don't dig the ''nice guy'' i am fucked?

No. You just need more confidence. That doesn't mean you have to be rude or mean.

that1guy said:
basically, this "nice guy" article sums it up for me of why I ahve never had a true girlfriend

This article hit pretty close to home for me too. I'm trying hard to boost my confidence and change my ways.











EDIT: ooh, and I agree with Bleach, despite myself being one of the "nice guys" in the past.
 

noblame4

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Pffft. My KINGDOM for a nice guy! ;_;

If I went out on a date and came back with roses instead of an inferiority complex and the bill for a meal at the waffle house, I'd could die happy.
 

Len

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That nice guy definition is a lot of bull crap and a horrible generalisation. This person seems to have confused nice with obsessed. Most of my girlfriend's female friends have settled down with a Nice Guy who would do anything for their women. I too can come under the umbrella of Nice Guy.

This is like saying 'don't be nice be assertive but not too assertive, demanding but not too demanding, reliable but not too reliable, love yourself but don't love yourself too much'. Wow better go to the Doctor dear and get a reality check. Life is not like the movies and there is not going to be a Mr Perfect who is going to whisk you away to a love nest where you can both wank over yourselves because the only people you will ever love more than yourself is your own reflection.

Basically this typology (or category) had been concocted by someone who fits the Bitch category who no doubt likes to enter into relationships with jock-sniffing, arse-banging idiots.

Let's call this Bitch 'Narcissa' (a bit like Narissa but with a twist of a greek tragedy in which bitchface fell in love with her own reflection). Narcissa spends most of her days cleaning out the poop that her dog left in her handbag. She walks like she has a pole lodged up her ass. Her idea of exercise is lieing on her back and thinking when the jock-sniffer banging away at her would just hurry up and shoot his load cause she has a hair appointment tomorrow morning. When the guy eventually gets kicked out by Narcissa and says 'I'll call you!', Narcissa smiles as if to say 'Yeah right - eh what's your name again."

*Shrug* Narcissa types are all the same.

Why don't they wake up and realise that Nice Guy is waiting around the corner. He will treat you like a women, make sure you come before he does, he will be a great father to your children. After a couple of years you will soon realise that he can be a bit of jerk on a bad day but you will admire him for who he is and you will live happily ever after. "Tear"

This story was brought to you by Nice Guy in the City Team. Motto is SHE COMES FIRST! YOU COME LAST!
 

Carstuar

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Len, you misunderstood. This is NOT supposed to be a definition of actual NICE guys. "Nice guys" is in quotes because this is an article about the self-proclaimed saints who are, in fact, gutless cowards, and the same people who whine and say that girls only like assholes.
 

x000x

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bleach said:
Kien said:
chris420 said:
Get confident -> 'nice guy' disappears. You can fake confidence though, until you get more comfortable with her.
Eeehh... It's not the lack of confidence that makes one nice. It's in the personality that the guy is a nice person. A person is not nice because something is wrong with him.

Get the fuck over yourself.

You aren't a nice person.

"I wish we could see into the future of peoples lives when they are born. Then we could kill all babies who's going to be bad people. Robbers, bullying kids, murderers etc. Just put a gun at the baby's head."

The words of a true philanthropist, eh?

It is ridiculous that all of you "nice guys" should even need to keep proclaiming your niceness in threads like this. What are you trying to prove? To me you should like a bunch of bitter dicks who are so in love with yourselves that you can't believe that anyone could dislike such a "nice guy".

And none of you seem to value other people aside from the ways they can love you, pay attention to you, spend time with you.

You all bitch about being pigeon-holed and discriminated against for your "niceness" (actually gutlessness), but hypocritically do the same thing to everyone else you meet.

"Chicks like assholes. They're so shallow."

*Gag*

I don't know why I bother making this post over and over again, none of you will read it anyway. Enjoy your hollow, shallow lives.


I read you're post and it makes sense to me. People should stop saying that they are "nice guys" just because they want attention. Sometime people can be nice, but can do things that some people think are completely terrible or bad; it all depends on the other person's perspective.
 

x000x

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noblame4 said:
Pffft. My KINGDOM for a nice guy! ;_;

If I went out on a date and came back with roses instead of an inferiority complex and the bill for a meal at the waffle house, I'd could die happy.

If I could just go out on a date I would be happy, lol...

but I get what you're saying :)
 

Dave_McFadden

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noblame4 said:
If I went out on a date and came back with roses instead of an inferiority complex and the bill for a meal at the waffle house, I'd could die happy.

A DATE stuck you with the bill at the waffle house?!?!?!?!?
Did you let him live?
 
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