Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

no1

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I haven't read this.. but I thought I might post this here.

I probably don't agree 100 percent but I do agree that this Current industrial society IS destructive of the mind and environment, unless we change drastically.


Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment - by Sushil Yadav

Industrial Society Destroys Mind and Environment

by Sushil Yadav

"TRYING TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT BY RECYCLING IS LIKE
SHOOTING SOMEONE 10,000 TIMES AND THEN TRYING TO
SAVE HIM BY TAKING OUT ONE BULLET."

[Editor's note: the author has offered this research article in short sentences rather than paragraph-form. This is intended, he indicated, more as poetry, because it is about subjective experience/emotion/reduction-of-thought.]

Subject : In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.
Subject : A thinking mind cannot feel.
Subject : Scientific/ Industrial/ Financial thinking destroys the planet.
Subject : Environment can never be saved as long as cities exist.

Emotion is what we experience during gaps in our thinking.

If there are no gaps there is no emotion.

Today people are thinking all the time and are mistaking thought (words/ language) for emotion.

When society switches over from physical work (agriculture) to mental work (scientific/
industrial/ financial/ fast visuals/ fast words ) the speed of thinking keeps on accelerating and the
gaps between thinking go on decreasing.

There comes a time when there are almost no gaps.

People become incapable of experiencing/ tolerating gaps.

Emotion ends.

Man becomes machine.


A society that speeds up mentally experiences every mental slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

A (traveling) society that speeds up physically experiences every physical slowing-down as Depression / Anxiety.

A society that entertains itself daily experiences every non-entertaining moment as Depression / Anxiety.


FAST VISUALS /WORDS MAKE SLOW EMOTIONS EXTINCT.

SCIENTIFIC /INDUSTRIAL /FINANCIAL THINKING DESTROYS EMOTIONAL CIRCUITS.

A FAST (LARGE) SOCIETY CANNOT FEEL PAIN / REMORSE / EMPATHY.

A FAST (LARGE) SOCIETY WILL ALWAYS BE CRUEL TO ANIMALS/ TREES/ AIR/ WATER/ LAND AND TO ITSELF.


I am trying to get the following experiment conducted in a psychophysiology/ bio-chemistry laboratory.

There is a link between visual / verbal speed (in perception, memory,
imagery) and the bio-chemical state of the brain and the body.

Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual and verbal processing
associated with the emotion slows down ( stops / freezes).

The degree of difficulty of an emotion depends upon the degree of
freezing of visuals and words) required to intensify and sustain that
particular emotion.


Experiment:

Subjects (preferably actors specialising in tragedy / tragic roles)
will be asked to watch a silent video film showing any of the
following:-

(1) Human suffering.
(2) Animal suffering.
(3) Suffering ( Destruction ) of Air / Water / Land / Trees.

Subjects will be asked to intensify and sustain the subjective feeling of pain/ grief for the sufferer.

The chemical changes associated with the emotion in the body (blood) would be measured by appropriate methods.

The silent video film will be shown at different speeds :
(1) 125% of actual speed.
(2) Actual/real speed.
(3) 75% of actual speed.
(4) 50% of actual speed.
(5) 25% of actual speed.

Results:

(1) Intensity of emotion increases with the decrease in visual speed.
(2) Intensity of emotion is maximum when visual speed is minimum (25%
of actual speed)

(3) The amount of chemical change associated with the emotion in the
body (blood) will be found to increase with the decrease in visual speed.

(4) The chemical change is maximum when visual speed is minimum.
(5) The amount of chemical change will increase with the decrease in
breathing rate. Breathing becomes so slow and non-rhythmic that it stops
for some time at the inhalation/ exhalation stages.

The above co-relations will be valid for all subjects - even for those who cannot feel pain/ grief.

Such subjects will experience emotion associated with boredom/ discomfort/ restlessness/ irritability/ uneasiness. The chemicals released will be different but the co-relation between visual speed and amount of chemical will be same( the breathing rates will be different/ fast).

All subjects will experience some kind of emotion.

[If scientists can discover 4000 different chemicals in cigarette-smoke then they can certainly detect the few chemicals released in blood when we experience higher-level emotions like pain, empathy, compassion, remorse etcÖ]

In the 2nd stage of the experiment we shall replace the silent video film with a Narrator
(audio only) and repeat the procedure thereby establishing the link between intensity of emotion and verbal speed. The narrator will slow down verbal speed by-- speaking slowly, stretching words, repetition of words/ sentences & making use of pause/ silence between words.

Please note:
(1) A THINKING MIND CANNOT INTENSIFY / SUSTAIN ANY EMOTION.
While this statement is generally true for all emotions, it is particularly true for all painful emotions.

(2) In a society in which visual ( verbal ) speed and breathing-rates are fast, pain / remorse / empathy cannot be experienced. It is impossible.

PROOF.
Proof of the link between pain and slow visuals / words: -

In the last century man has made thousands of movies / films on various
themes / subjects. Whenever pain / tragedy is shown in any film the
visuals (scenes) and words ( dialogues ) are always slowed down. In
many films tragedy is shown in slow motion. At the most intense moment
of pain the films almost become static / stationary.

Tragedy-films provide direct proof / evidence of the link between pain
and slowness.

Pain can intensify / sustain only when visual ( and verbal ) speed slows
down( stops/ freezes).

CHANGE IN VISUAL SPEED OVER THE YEARS

One thousand years ago visuals would change only when man physically
moved himself to a new place or when other people (animals / birds)
and objects (clouds / water) physically moved themselves before him.

Today man sits in front of TV / Computer and watches the rapidly
changing visuals / audio.

He sits in a vehicle (car / train / bus) and as it moves he watches the rapidly changing visuals.

He turns the pages of a book / newspaper / magazine and sees many visuals / text in a short span.

CHANGE IN VERBAL SPEED OVER THE YEARS

In ancient times verbal processing was ìliveî in nature ó i.e., it happened when people actually spoke. Today there is non-stop verbal processing inside the mind through print and electronic media (newspapers, books, magazines, radio, television, computer etcÖ)
as a result of which the verbal content & speed has increased thousands of times.

The speed of visuals (and words) has increased so much during the last
one hundred years that today the human brain has become incapable of
focusing on slow visuals /words through perception, memory, imagery.

If we cannot focus on slow visuals / words we cannot experience emotions
associated with slow visuals /words.

Before the advent of Industrial Revolution Man's thinking was primarily
limited to :

(a) visual processing (slow visuals)
(b) verbal / language processing (slow words)

Today there are many kinds of fast thinking :

(1) visual processing (fast visuals)
(2) verbal / language processing (fast words)

If visual / verbal processing is fast we cannot feel slow emotions.

(3) Scientific / Technical thinking ( fast )
(4) Industrial thinking ( fast )
(5) Business thinking ( fast )

(3), (4) & (5) ARE ASSOCIATED WITH NUMBERS / SYMBOLS / EQUATIONS /
GRAPHS /CIRCUITS / DIAGRAMS / MONEY / ACCOUNTING etcÖ

As long as the mind is doing this kind of thinking it cannot feel any emotion - not an iota of emotion.

In a fast society slow emotions become extinct.

In a thinking (scientific / industrial) society emotion itself becomes extinct.

EMOTION IS WHAT REMAINS IN THE MIND WHEN VISUAL /VERBAL
PROCESSING SLOWS DOWN (STOPS/ FREEZES )


There are certain categories of people who feel more emotion (subjective experience) than others.

If we attempt to understand why (and how) they feel more emotion we can learn a lot about emotion.

Writers, poets, actors, painters (and other artists)

WRITERS
Writers do verbal (and associated visual) processing the whole day - every day.
They do slow verbal ( and associated visual) processing every day.
(A novel that we read in 2 hours might have taken 2 years to write. This is also the reason why the reader can never feel the intensity & duration of emotion experienced by the writer)

POETS
Poets do verbal (and associated visual) processing the whole day - every day.
There is more emotion in poetry than in prose.
This happens because there are very few words (and associated visuals) in poetry than in any other kind of writing.
There is a very high degree of freezing / slowing down of visuals & words in poetry.

ACTORS
Actors do verbal (and associated visual) processing the whole day - every day. During shooting / rehearsal they repeat the dialogues (words) again and again (the associated visuals / scenes also get repeated along with the dialogues)

PAINTERS
Painters do visual (and associated verbal) processing the whole day - every day.
They do extremely slow visual processing - The visual on the canvas changes only when the painter adds to what already exists on the canvas.


There are some important points to be noted :

All these people do visual & verbal processing - whole day - every day.
They do slow visual & verbal processing.
They do not do scientific / industrial / business processing whole day - every day.

Most of the city people doing mental work either do this kind of mental processing
which is associated with NUMBERS / SYMBOLS/ Equations / Graphs / CIRCUITS /
DIAGRAMS / MONEY / ACCOUNTING etcÖ or they do fast visual (verbal)
processing the whole day - every day.

This kind of thinking (processing) has come into existence only during the last 200 years
and has destroyed our emotional ability (circuits).


SELF-ASSESSMENT OF (SUBJECTIVE) INTENSITY OF EMOTION IS ALMOST ALWAYS WRONG.

Suppose the maximum intensity (and duration) of a particular emotion that
can be experienced by any human being is 100 units.

Let us suppose the maximum intensity (and duration) of that particular emotion ever
experienced by two people A & B in their entire life is :

A - 100units
B - 20 units

Now suppose A & B are made subjects on a particular day and are asked
to feel that particular emotion under experimental conditions (or outside the laboratory) and the intensity &duration they actually experience is:

A - 90 units
B - 18 units

If A &B are then asked to indicate the intensity &duration of emotion on a scale
of 0-10 their response is likely to be ;

A - 9
B - 9

Who is right and who is wrong ?
A is right.
B is wrong - B is wrong by a wide margin - B has experienced an intensity (and duration) of 18 units out of a maximum of 100 units and his correct /actual score should be 1.8

Self-assessment (self rating) can be accurate only if people have the capacity to experience the highest intensity &duration (units) of the particular emotion under study.


Because of physical work and slow visual/verbal processing in small (slow) agriculture
based societies of the past, the mind used to experience a state of emotion all the time.
If we read one thousand-year-old literature we will not come across the term "boredom"
-the concept of boredom did not exist in slow societies. There were long gaps between
different visuals and between words/ sentences -and people had the ability to experience/ tolerate the gaps - it was normal for them.

Emotion can intensify / sustain only when visual / verbal processing slows down (stops / freezes).

In an Industrial (thinking) society people experience very little emotion because of fast (visual / verbal / scientific / industrial / business) thinking

Suppose the maximum intensity and duration of a particular emotion (for most people) in a fast society has reduced to 5 units ( from 100 units that people used to experience in earlier /slower societies).

If such people experience 4 units of emotion they will give themselves a
rating /score of 8 on a scale of 0-10 whereas their actual score should
be 0.4

IN A FAST SOCIETY SLOW EMOTIONS BECOME EXTINCT.


IQ Vs EQ

IQ always has an element of change in it ñ IQ is about trying to make/ discover/ invent something new all the time.

Change is an inherent feature of IQ.

IQ is also about thinking more in less timeóit involves speeding up of mind. Someone who does more mathematics in less time is considered more intelligent in mathematics. IQ is about more and more change.

EQ [emotional quotient] is about sustainment of the same feeling/experience over a period of time. When we experience any higher-level emotion for 10 minutes we experience the same feeling (subjective experience) over and over again for 10 minutes.

The (same) feeling can sustain only if there is Repetition.
EQ involves RepetitionóConstancyóSameness.

IQ and EQ are contradictory.
IQ and EQ are opposites.
IQ and EQ are inversely proportional.

(1) A thinking species destroys the planet.
(2) Animals lived on earth for billions of years (in very large numbers)
without destroying nature.
(3) They did not destroy nature because their thinking / activity was
limited to searching for food for one time only.
(4) Man has existed on earth in large numbers for only a few thousand
years / a few hundred years.
(5) Within this short period Man has destroyed the environment.
(6) This destruction took place because of Man's thinking.
(7) When man thinks he makes things.
(8) When he makes things he kills animals / trees / air / water / land.
( Nothing can be made without killing these five elements of nature ).

(9) A thinking species destroys the planet.


MENTAL WORK IS INJURIOUS TO THE MIND AND PLANET.

There is no higher purpose behind work.

People do not work because they want to work.
People work because they cannot stop working.

People cannot stop physical activity and mental activity (simultaneously) for even 2 minutes.

For most people it is a choice between physical and mental work.
The switch-over from physical work to mental work is disastrous for the planet.


Man can do the same physical work every day.
Man cannot do the same mental work every day.

When man used to do physical work ( farming and related activities) he could do the same repetitive work day after day - generation after generation.

After the Industrial Revolution when man switched over to mental work he
began a never ending process of making new machines / things / products--
a process which can only end with the complete destruction of environment (planet).


The nature of mental work is such that man has to do new mental work every day - in fact he has to do new mental work every moment - Man cannot do in the next moment the mental work that he has already done in the previous moment.


A mathematician cannot solve the same problem of mathematics every day
-- once he has solved it he will be forced to take up a new (unsolved) problem.
Even when he is solving one particular problem he has to move from one step to
another -- there is a continuous change involved -- there is no constancy at any stage.

An engineer cannot design the same machine again and again ñ once he has made a
machine he will try to make changes/ design a new one.

A writer cannot write the same article every day - he will be forced to write something
new every day/ every moment (This is also the reason behind endless discussions/
debates/ arguments).


Change is an inherent feature of mental work.

Since change is an inherent feature of mental work ñ a society that does mental work can
never be at peace with itself ñ it is impossible.

A society that does mental work will always be restless.

Only those societies that do physical work [agriculture and related activities] can find
contentment and peace.


AS LONG AS CITIES EXIST WE CAN NEITHER SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT
NOR THE MIND.

To save the (remaining) environment from destruction man will have to
return back to physical work (smaller communities).

To save the mind from mental diseases man will have to return back to
physical work (smaller communities).


Environment can be saved only if we stop production of most (more than
99%) of the consumer goods we are making today.

ENVIRONMENT CANNOT BE SAVED BY RECYCLING

TRYING TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT BY RECYCLING IS LIKE
SHOOTING SOMEONE 10,000 TIMES AND THEN TRYING TO
SAVE HIM BY TAKING OUT ONE BULLET.

There was a time when Man knew nothing about the number of species and
millions of species existed.

Today Man knows the names of millions of species and nothing is left of
the species.

It took millions of years for millions of species to slowly come into existence on earth ñ and Man has decimated all other species.

After destroying millions of highly-developed species on earth Man is today searching for a few molecules of life in outer space.

If a few microbes, a few molecules of methane / water are found on Mars ñ it becomes the newspaper headline.

They call it progress.


The following is about to come true.

Nature can exist

(1) before man.
(2) after man.
(3) not with man.


Time is running out for this planet.
We are in the last 20 years.


Yours Sincerely,
Sushil Yadav
www.netshooter.com/emotion

Please note:
Fast emotions = emotions associated with fast visuals/fast words/fast breathing/fast heart-rate.
Slow emotions = emotions associated with slow visuals/slow words/slow breathing/slow heart-rate.
Rate of thinking = number of visuals/words processed per minute.
Gaps between thinking = gaps between visuals/ words/ sentences.


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Anubis

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Looks like somebody watched Fight Club. Because the general conclusion of this article is basically the end of that movie (i.e. Spoiler: Destroying whole cities so we can go back to the basics of a hunter-gatherer society due to the mind-numbing influence of a consumerist/industrial society). It's not a very practical solution though.
 
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bagota50

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It's a load of B.S.
Going back to a primitive society is even worse, once things (Like agriculture, sedentary society's and the industrial revolution/electronic age) have been invented, there is no way they are going to revert back to a primitive lifestyle anyway.
Too many people today for that.
Anyway, there are a lot of people healthier and more intelligent then people in the past(Not living to middle age, being crippled with arthritis at 30)
Humans have a fetish for not living the 'natural way' anyway.
By the way what is it anyway? Going back to a small farming lifestyle? Nomadic Pastoralist living?
Hunter/Gatherer lifestyle? Ditching all tools and clothes and living in the bush eating leaves like a gorilla, or killing animals with your bare hands like a chimpanzee?

Most of us(Save a few crackpots anyway) won't be able to 'go native' anyway, so we have to just make the best of what we have got.
 

NothingElseMatters

Well-known member
"TRYING TO SAVE THE ENVIRONMENT BY RECYCLING IS LIKE
SHOOTING SOMEONE 10,000 TIMES AND THEN TRYING TO
SAVE HIM BY TAKING OUT ONE BULLET."



it was too long.i only read some lines.there is something that the one who wrote the article forgot.The ones that shoot the 10 000 bullets are not the ones who try to save the man.the ones who destroy the environment are not the ones who r trying to save it.People who recycle are doing their little contribution to the environment so that they can save their ass and other people asses because of the ones that destroy.recycling can't save the planet.but it does something small.
I mean even this article was written for the same reason.

To save the (remaining) environment from destruction man will have to
return back to physical work (smaller communities).

To save the mind from mental diseases man will have to return back to
physical work (smaller communities).


its too unreal

Time is running out for this planet.
We are in the last 20 years.


time for people is running out on this planet
 

bagota50

Member
it was too long.i only read some lines.there is something that the one who wrote the article forgot.The ones that shoot the 10 000 bullets are not the ones who try to save the man.the ones who destroy the environment are not the ones who r trying to save it.People who recycle are doing their little contribution to the environment so that they can save their ass and other people asses because of the ones that destroy.recycling can't save the planet.but it does something small.
I mean even this article was written for the same reason.


I agree.
At least they are doing something that will actually help, as opposed to sitting on there arse writing some long-winded nonsense that is ridiculously impractical anyway. Another thing is, I suggest the author get rid of all possessions and go live out in the bush, and see how successful his theory is in practice.
 
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NothingElseMatters

Well-known member
I agree.
At least they are doing something that will actually help, as opposed to sitting on there arse writing some long-winded nonsense that is ridiculously impractical anyway.

idk,i like the effort that someone puts to write something like this,it deserves some credit but yeah it's too unreal
 

Lea

Banned
Interesting article. I do not think it´s a load of BS, although I am no scientist and can´t prove the figures etc. are right. And one detail, for example (although it´s just a nit picking and not decisive for the overall meaning) - 5 elements or nature - animals/trees/air/water/land? I thought in nature there were only 4 elements - fire, air, land and water. Animals and trees are made of the last 3, aren´t they? (I mean provided land = solid matter).

In any way this planet is overpopulated and people are going to destroy this planet. I wouldn´t say in the past people were "better", they have allways been cruel, led wars etc. Only they never came to overpopulating because the living conditions were so poor they wouldn´t allow it. Today people can afford to multiply a lot because the living conditions are favorable for them (for most). I think mankind has (and will) totally ruined the natural balance on earth. His self invented industry and civilization has allowed him to raise over nature and it´s laws which he can now use and control as he pleases. But he needs nature, he can´t live without it. I don´t know how the indian proverb is.. when the last tree on earth falls, the man finds out that he can´t eat money?
 

no1

Banned
It's a load of B.S.
Going back to a primitive society is even worse, once things (Like agriculture, sedentary society's and the industrial revolution/electronic age) have been invented, there is no way they are going to revert back to a primitive lifestyle anyway.
Too many people today for that.
Anyway, there are a lot of people healthier and more intelligent then people in the past(Not living to middle age, being crippled with arthritis at 30)
Humans have a fetish for not living the 'natural way' anyway.
By the way what is it anyway? Going back to a small farming lifestyle? Nomadic Pastoralist living?
Hunter/Gatherer lifestyle? Ditching all tools and clothes and living in the bush eating leaves like a gorilla, or killing animals with your bare hands like a chimpanzee?

Most of us(Save a few crackpots anyway) won't be able to 'go native' anyway, so we have to just make the best of what we have got.


Uh.. like I said in my opening post: I may not agree with it, because ALL industry and civilization, conceptually/ideally is not necessarily bad. It's HOW we implement this idea. And it just so happened that OUR industrial society is REALLY killing us.

look here's a video about it: The Disappearing Male - TheDisappearingMale-CBC_512kb.mp4
 

doesit

Well-known member
cant agree more article is full of BS,all the society and technology are moving quite fast and in last 40 years we reached more than people in the last 2000y.but the human cycle is the same you work most of the days, you sleep,eat,relax do smth what you like and same s**t every day.
 

no1

Banned
cant agree more article is full of BS,all the society and technology are moving quite fast and in last 40 years we reached more than people in the last 2000y.but the human cycle is the same you work most of the days, you sleep,eat,relax do smth what you like and same s**t every day.

Oh yeah.

and what about machines replacing human labor, so we become fat and lazy.

what about all the poisonous chemicals killing us and the environment.
 

no1

Banned
well I guess I should have just made my own article..

The author ofthis article is OBVIOUSLY religiously inclined.
 

doesit

Well-known member
Oh yeah.

and what about machines replacing human labor, so we become fat and lazy.

what about all the poisonous chemicals killing us and the environment.
you are shi**ing me right :D ??Unless you are 10years old than dont mind what i wrote here,how do you imagine cars buildings and everything around you are made ??and dont start with the environment :rolleyes:
 

no1

Banned
you are shi**ing me right :D ??Unless you are 10years old than dont mind what i wrote here,how do you imagine cars buildings and everything around you are made ??and dont start with the environment :rolleyes:


You know what. Screw it. You don't know the truth.

The fact is all the technology in current society can be made with alternatives that aren't being made public because the industry and organizations in very "high" places FEED OFF OF and MAKE MONEY off of negativity.

You just don't know.
 
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sorrow1

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Well theres no denying were destroying the planet. As for reverting back to basics, living off the land, hunting and gathering etc i love the idea. I really enjoy watching ray mears and bear grylls on tv and i think we can learn a lot from these kind of teachings but society as a whole is too far gone to change. Weve advanced too far and theres no going back. As much as you want to change things the vast majority of people dont and wont and in this age wanting a simple life is socially unnacceptable so i guess we just gotta deal with it.
 
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