savage_beagle
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:twisted: --aw...the end.
end of days.
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Re: END OF DAYS--- we are living it now.
I've always thought it the world were to end tomorrow. It would be a little be too late to try and make amends with God. That now that you see what he was saying was actually true. That it would be a little bit late to try and appologize.
And besides if there world would ceast to exist. You don't really have a say in the matter. Everything happens for a reason. Whether you want it to or not. So just enjoy it.
savage_beagle said:
I've always thought it the world were to end tomorrow. It would be a little be too late to try and make amends with God. That now that you see what he was saying was actually true. That it would be a little bit late to try and appologize.
And besides if there world would ceast to exist. You don't really have a say in the matter. Everything happens for a reason. Whether you want it to or not. So just enjoy it.
savage_beagle
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IF THATS WHAT YOU WISH TO BELIEVE
YOUNG--- if thats what you wish to choose to do, then you are your own man and do whatever you think is appropiate. If you were in a car without brakes and going downhill or towards a cliff's edge, would you just turn to the ones in the car with you and give up, not even attempting to look at any options such as steering or gearing down the transmission? Maybe just scream and wish for a miracle to save you? Or at least attempt to show you wish to live and do what it takes to successfully make it thru? All i am saying is do the best with what is presented in front of you. The bible says you can always return back to GOD, as long as you truly ask for forgiveness and change your ways . Once again, no offence...do as you please.
YOUNG--- if thats what you wish to choose to do, then you are your own man and do whatever you think is appropiate. If you were in a car without brakes and going downhill or towards a cliff's edge, would you just turn to the ones in the car with you and give up, not even attempting to look at any options such as steering or gearing down the transmission? Maybe just scream and wish for a miracle to save you? Or at least attempt to show you wish to live and do what it takes to successfully make it thru? All i am saying is do the best with what is presented in front of you. The bible says you can always return back to GOD, as long as you truly ask for forgiveness and change your ways . Once again, no offence...do as you please.
LA-girl
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The weird thing is that I have actually read this study guide of what the Bible says about the end of days and the second coming TODAY.
I will just quote one small piece of info for now... The reason I picked this part is because this was completely new to me, and quite intreaging!
Does the Bible give specific information regarding the nearness of Christ's second coming?
Answer: Yes, it does! And Jesus Himself said, "When ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." Matthew?24:33. The Lord placed signs all along the way from His ascension to His second coming. They are listed below. Study them carefully.
A. The Destruction of Jerusalem
Prophecy: "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." "Let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains." Matthew 24:2, 16.
Fulfillment: Jerusalem was destroyed in A.D. 70 by the Roman warrior Titus.
B. A Great Persecution, or Tribulation
Prophecy: "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world." Matthew 24:21.
Fulfillment: This prophecy points primarily to the long period of tribulation that took place during the Dark Ages and was instigated by the apostate church. It lasted more than 1,000 years. Over 50 million Christians were slain for their faith in this terrible tribulation period. One writer says the apostate church "has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind." W.E.H. Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, (Reprint; New York: Braziller, 1955) Vol. 2, pp. 40-45.
C. The Sun Turned into Darkness
Prophecy: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened." Matthew 24:29.
Fulfillment: This was fulfilled by a day of supernatural darkness on May 19, 1780. It was not an eclipse. Timothy Dwight says, "The 19th of May, 1780, was a remarkable dark day. Candles were lighted in many houses; the birds were silent and disappeared, and the fowls retired to roost. ... A very general opinion prevailed, that the day of judgment was at hand." Quoted in Connecticut Historical Collections, compiled by John Warner Barber (2nd ed.; New Haven: Durrie & Peck and J.W. Barber, 1836) p. 403.
D. The Moon Turned into Blood
Prophecy: "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come." Joel 2:31.
Fulfillment: The moon became as red as blood on the night of the "dark day," May 19, 1780. Milo Bostick in Stone's History of Massachusetts says, "The moon which was at its full, had the appearance of blood."
E.The Stars Fall from Heaven
Prophecy: "And the stars shall fall from heaven." Matthew 24:29.
Fulfillment: The great star shower took place on the night of November 13, 1833. It was so bright that a newspaper could be read on the street. One writer says, "For nearly four hours the sky was literally ablaze."* Men thought the end of the world had come. Look into this. It is most fascinating, and a sign of Christ's coming.
*Peter A. Millman, "The Falling of the Stars," The Telescope, 7 (May-June, 1940) 57.
F. Jesus Comes in the Clouds
Prophecy: "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matthew 24:30.
Fulfillment: This is the next great event.
I will just quote one small piece of info for now... The reason I picked this part is because this was completely new to me, and quite intreaging!
Does the Bible give specific information regarding the nearness of Christ's second coming?
Answer: Yes, it does! And Jesus Himself said, "When ye shall see all these things, know that it is near, even at the doors." Matthew?24:33. The Lord placed signs all along the way from His ascension to His second coming. They are listed below. Study them carefully.
A. The Destruction of Jerusalem
Prophecy: "There shall not be left here one stone upon another, that shall not be thrown down." "Let them which be in Judea flee into the mountains." Matthew 24:2, 16.
Fulfillment: Jerusalem was destroyed in A.D. 70 by the Roman warrior Titus.
B. A Great Persecution, or Tribulation
Prophecy: "For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning of the world." Matthew 24:21.
Fulfillment: This prophecy points primarily to the long period of tribulation that took place during the Dark Ages and was instigated by the apostate church. It lasted more than 1,000 years. Over 50 million Christians were slain for their faith in this terrible tribulation period. One writer says the apostate church "has shed more innocent blood than any other institution that has ever existed among mankind." W.E.H. Lecky, History of the Rise and Influence of the Spirit of Rationalism in Europe, (Reprint; New York: Braziller, 1955) Vol. 2, pp. 40-45.
C. The Sun Turned into Darkness
Prophecy: "Immediately after the tribulation of those days shall the sun be darkened." Matthew 24:29.
Fulfillment: This was fulfilled by a day of supernatural darkness on May 19, 1780. It was not an eclipse. Timothy Dwight says, "The 19th of May, 1780, was a remarkable dark day. Candles were lighted in many houses; the birds were silent and disappeared, and the fowls retired to roost. ... A very general opinion prevailed, that the day of judgment was at hand." Quoted in Connecticut Historical Collections, compiled by John Warner Barber (2nd ed.; New Haven: Durrie & Peck and J.W. Barber, 1836) p. 403.
D. The Moon Turned into Blood
Prophecy: "The sun shall be turned into darkness, and the moon into blood, before the great and the terrible day of the Lord come." Joel 2:31.
Fulfillment: The moon became as red as blood on the night of the "dark day," May 19, 1780. Milo Bostick in Stone's History of Massachusetts says, "The moon which was at its full, had the appearance of blood."
E.The Stars Fall from Heaven
Prophecy: "And the stars shall fall from heaven." Matthew 24:29.
Fulfillment: The great star shower took place on the night of November 13, 1833. It was so bright that a newspaper could be read on the street. One writer says, "For nearly four hours the sky was literally ablaze."* Men thought the end of the world had come. Look into this. It is most fascinating, and a sign of Christ's coming.
*Peter A. Millman, "The Falling of the Stars," The Telescope, 7 (May-June, 1940) 57.
F. Jesus Comes in the Clouds
Prophecy: "And then shall appear the sign of the Son of man in heaven: and then shall all the tribes of the earth mourn, and they shall see the Son of man coming in the clouds of heaven with power and great glory." Matthew 24:30.
Fulfillment: This is the next great event.
Re: IF THATS WHAT YOU WISH TO BELIEVE
Yes, but if you were ment to live, than you are left to live. If you were ment to die, than so be it. Your destiny on this mortal planet was planned long before you even stept foot onto. Your actions and reactions have all ready been planned. It's kinda like a giant game of chess, for a lack of better word.
Case in point with your post right here. The signs were placed all along. They are placed to be there. It will happen when it happens. For it was planned to happen.
savage_beagle said:
Yes, but if you were ment to live, than you are left to live. If you were ment to die, than so be it. Your destiny on this mortal planet was planned long before you even stept foot onto. Your actions and reactions have all ready been planned. It's kinda like a giant game of chess, for a lack of better word.
LA-Girl said:
Case in point with your post right here. The signs were placed all along. They are placed to be there. It will happen when it happens. For it was planned to happen.
LA-girl
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Re: IF THATS WHAT YOU WISH TO BELIEVE
I'll repeat what i put out on the RDT yesterday:
The Bible clearly states that God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4). He is "not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). There is no evidence that God has decreed that some persons should be lost; such a decree would deny Calvary, where Jesus died for everyone. The whoever in the text, "'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life'" (John 3:16), means that anyone can be saved.
"That man's free will is the determining factor in his personal destiny is evident from the fact that God continually presents the results of obedience and disobedience, and urges the sinner to choose obedience and life (Deut. 30:19; Joshua 24:15; Isa.1:16, 20; Rev. 22:17); and from the fact that it is possible for the believer, having once been a recipient of grace, to fall away and be lost (1 Cor. 9:27; Gal. 5:4; Heb. 6:4-6; 10:29). . . .
EDIT (Post-limit -thing :x ): Young, read this:
God may foresee each individual choice that will be made, but His foreknowledge does not determine what that choice shall be. . . . Bible predestination consists in the effective purpose of God that all who choose to believe in Christ shall be saved (John 1:12; Eph.1:4-10)" 4
God's knowledge about what individuals will do does not interfere with what they actually choose to do any more than a historian's knowledge of what people did in the past interferes with their actions. Just as a camera records a scene but does not change it, foreknowledge looks into the future without altering it.
The foreknowledge of God never violates human freedom!.
young said:
I'll repeat what i put out on the RDT yesterday:
The Bible clearly states that God "desires all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" (1 Tim. 2:4). He is "not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance" (2 Peter 3:9). There is no evidence that God has decreed that some persons should be lost; such a decree would deny Calvary, where Jesus died for everyone. The whoever in the text, "'For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish but have everlasting life'" (John 3:16), means that anyone can be saved.
"That man's free will is the determining factor in his personal destiny is evident from the fact that God continually presents the results of obedience and disobedience, and urges the sinner to choose obedience and life (Deut. 30:19; Joshua 24:15; Isa.1:16, 20; Rev. 22:17); and from the fact that it is possible for the believer, having once been a recipient of grace, to fall away and be lost (1 Cor. 9:27; Gal. 5:4; Heb. 6:4-6; 10:29). . . .
EDIT (Post-limit -thing :x ): Young, read this:
God may foresee each individual choice that will be made, but His foreknowledge does not determine what that choice shall be. . . . Bible predestination consists in the effective purpose of God that all who choose to believe in Christ shall be saved (John 1:12; Eph.1:4-10)" 4
God's knowledge about what individuals will do does not interfere with what they actually choose to do any more than a historian's knowledge of what people did in the past interferes with their actions. Just as a camera records a scene but does not change it, foreknowledge looks into the future without altering it.
The foreknowledge of God never violates human freedom!.
MyDyingBride
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cLavain said:
hehe, me to!
savage_beagle
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hmmm..let's see who else i can piss off next. (i'm kidding.)
..yeeesh! looks like i made one or two of you so upset that you had to drop the donuts outta both hands and type back. :lol: :lol: ....OK, i understand the point of view that if it is destiny and written in the bible that it will be so, then so be it. I believe the bible also mentions that GOD is forgiving (under the right circumstances), is a loving GOD that wants all his children to be content and saved and HE always gives us (his brats) all sorts of chances/choices and opportunities to do the right thing so that we don't die and hop the express elevator to hell. It was just a thought i was expressing becuz of the sad state of affairs lately (wars,terrorism, dying earth, catastrophes,etc). Funny thing is (to you athiests), last time i went to church regulary was when i was 11 years old and got my first communion. I left the church after that, being fed up with the catholic mentality of being a prick all week and then repenting my sins on a sunday. Other then that ...i was in church for a few catholic funeral masses...um...christmas...easter..you know...like a bad catholic does.(ok..settle down...just describing my catholic church experiences, not the worlds).Anyways, some things i was taught from my pre-communion church goings have always stuck in my head..in a good way, but i do not profess to study the bible or know scriptures, or chant ---sacrifice goats or wear sandals and walk on water. It is just something that comes from within and i decided i would rather walk on the side of good then down the path of bad. I always disliked all the differents ways that many relegious groups think that they are holier than thou, and all the hatred and murder committed in the name of thier gods, so i got turned off at an early age by any relegion. One thought i always had about the things written in our christian based bibles, is that we have these prophecies about what will happen to mankind, and how we are destined to do these things in due time. It makes me wonder....our GOD, he knows everything and our every move....is HE telling us how we gonna cause our own misery and suffering because HE has gone thru all this over and over with past human beings...over and over...and thats why HE knows the exact outcome of our fate? Are we swiped away like a clean slate, only to be repopulated on earth till humankind finally gets it right? Just a thought....if this posting bugs you....get back to your donuts before they get stale...i gotta go find my armageddon underwear anyways. :lol:
..yeeesh! looks like i made one or two of you so upset that you had to drop the donuts outta both hands and type back. :lol: :lol: ....OK, i understand the point of view that if it is destiny and written in the bible that it will be so, then so be it. I believe the bible also mentions that GOD is forgiving (under the right circumstances), is a loving GOD that wants all his children to be content and saved and HE always gives us (his brats) all sorts of chances/choices and opportunities to do the right thing so that we don't die and hop the express elevator to hell. It was just a thought i was expressing becuz of the sad state of affairs lately (wars,terrorism, dying earth, catastrophes,etc). Funny thing is (to you athiests), last time i went to church regulary was when i was 11 years old and got my first communion. I left the church after that, being fed up with the catholic mentality of being a prick all week and then repenting my sins on a sunday. Other then that ...i was in church for a few catholic funeral masses...um...christmas...easter..you know...like a bad catholic does.(ok..settle down...just describing my catholic church experiences, not the worlds).Anyways, some things i was taught from my pre-communion church goings have always stuck in my head..in a good way, but i do not profess to study the bible or know scriptures, or chant ---sacrifice goats or wear sandals and walk on water. It is just something that comes from within and i decided i would rather walk on the side of good then down the path of bad. I always disliked all the differents ways that many relegious groups think that they are holier than thou, and all the hatred and murder committed in the name of thier gods, so i got turned off at an early age by any relegion. One thought i always had about the things written in our christian based bibles, is that we have these prophecies about what will happen to mankind, and how we are destined to do these things in due time. It makes me wonder....our GOD, he knows everything and our every move....is HE telling us how we gonna cause our own misery and suffering because HE has gone thru all this over and over with past human beings...over and over...and thats why HE knows the exact outcome of our fate? Are we swiped away like a clean slate, only to be repopulated on earth till humankind finally gets it right? Just a thought....if this posting bugs you....get back to your donuts before they get stale...i gotta go find my armageddon underwear anyways. :lol:
LA-girl
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Savage Beagle wrote:
Agree with the first three lines, but I have to arrest you when it comes to the fourth. The Bible does not teach that sinners will go down to hell and experience an eternity in torture, just for the record. However it does teach that sinners will first have their fair punishment in hellfire. (it is an act, not a place.."hell" will be right here on the surface of this earth) THere will be different punishment depending on your bad deeds/sins. This is to ensure that for instance Hitler will get a more severe punisment than for instance an alcoholic who drank himself to death. But after everyone is given their punishment all sinners will DIE.
"The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23.
God is NOT a monstruos sadist who would enjoy watching his creation suffer in torture for eternity!! This is a Devils lie and have led many people to convert to atheism and turned them against God.
And if we really think about it, who could love a God who would send his creation to such a terrible place for eternity if they did not measure up...?
Read more about what the Bible teach about this issue here:
(Scroll down to: "Is the Devil in Charge of Hell?" Watch or open lesson!
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/study_guides.asp
cLavain wrote:
Hmmm....it would actually make more sense if you turn that the other way around. I mean if the coming of Jesus turns out to be true, (which I am personally convinced of) it would be an advantage to be a christian and not an atheist that very moment don't you think? :wink:
Also when Jesus comes back it does not mean THE END OF THE WORLD! It just means the end of the world as it is today with all the chaos, war, hatred, violence, immoral behaviour, famines etc!
This earth will not cease to exist, it will be renewed and restored, and there will be no traces of evil, no sickness, no tears, no boredom, no hatred ever again! It will be Eden all over again, without another fall of sin, that's what God has promised! It will be a perfect world, and everybody who is alive still have the chance to become a part of it! That is what I call GOOD NEWS!!
cLavain wrote:
Ah, TG! It means there is still hope! I ain't giving up on you just yet.. :wink:
Agree with the first three lines, but I have to arrest you when it comes to the fourth. The Bible does not teach that sinners will go down to hell and experience an eternity in torture, just for the record. However it does teach that sinners will first have their fair punishment in hellfire. (it is an act, not a place.."hell" will be right here on the surface of this earth) THere will be different punishment depending on your bad deeds/sins. This is to ensure that for instance Hitler will get a more severe punisment than for instance an alcoholic who drank himself to death. But after everyone is given their punishment all sinners will DIE.
"The wages of sin is death; but the gift of God is eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord." Romans 6:23.
God is NOT a monstruos sadist who would enjoy watching his creation suffer in torture for eternity!! This is a Devils lie and have led many people to convert to atheism and turned them against God.
And if we really think about it, who could love a God who would send his creation to such a terrible place for eternity if they did not measure up...?
Read more about what the Bible teach about this issue here:
(Scroll down to: "Is the Devil in Charge of Hell?" Watch or open lesson!
http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/study_guides.asp
cLavain wrote:
Hmmm....it would actually make more sense if you turn that the other way around. I mean if the coming of Jesus turns out to be true, (which I am personally convinced of) it would be an advantage to be a christian and not an atheist that very moment don't you think? :wink:
Also when Jesus comes back it does not mean THE END OF THE WORLD! It just means the end of the world as it is today with all the chaos, war, hatred, violence, immoral behaviour, famines etc!
This earth will not cease to exist, it will be renewed and restored, and there will be no traces of evil, no sickness, no tears, no boredom, no hatred ever again! It will be Eden all over again, without another fall of sin, that's what God has promised! It will be a perfect world, and everybody who is alive still have the chance to become a part of it! That is what I call GOOD NEWS!!
cLavain wrote:
Ah, TG! It means there is still hope!
I ain't giving up on you just yet.. :wink:
stormygrey
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cLavain
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Sure, but that's a very big if. Anyway, I'm not sure your god would be very impressed by someone who only believed in him (her?) to be on the safe side? :wink:LA-girl said:
Ah...hope. It's like a bar of soap, hold it too tightly and it might slip from your grasp. /poetic moodLA-girl said:Ah, TG! It means there is still hope!
LA-girl said:This earth will not cease to exist, it will be renewed and restored, and there will be no traces of evil, no sickness, no tears, no boredom, no hatred ever again! It will be Eden all over again, without another fall of sin, that's what God has promised! It will be a perfect world, and everybody who is alive still have the chance to become a part of it! That is what I call GOOD NEWS!![/color]
As long as there is good, there will always be evil.
LA-girl
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cLavain said:
It might seem like a big if for you, but for me it is more like when. Well, I think fear of the coming judgement is primarily the starting point for most people, but you're right it should not be our main motive. I mean if you do not have any wish or desire to experience that perfect world that God has promised then that will be your choice I guess.
But the main reason should be our love to Jesus, because Jesus is God's representant. He is the exact representation of my being… Hebrews 1: 3
I mean it should not be so hard for most people to love someone that chose to suffer and give us his life for us sinners, when in fact he had comitted no sin or crime. Jesus died so that you and I could be reconciled…2 Corinthians 5: 18-19
God could have chosen to wipe us all out, but because he loved us so much he paid the price for us.
I gave up everything I loved that I might gain your love…Romans 8: 31-32
But I mean what would you have to loose? Would becoming a follower of Christ mean that you should follow his commandments?
Yes, it does. But the commandments are given because that is what is best for all of us. "And the Lord commanded us to do all these statutes [commandments] ... for our good always." Deuteronomy 6:24.
"He that keepeth the law, happy is he." Proverbs 29:18. "Keep my commandments: For length of days, and long life, and peace, shall they add to thee." Proverbs 3:1, 2.
All the ten commandments are loving commandments.
God wrote the commandments with his own finger on two stone tables:
*The first stone table ( 1-4) speaks of our love to God.
*The second stonetable (5-10) speaks of our love to our neighbour (and ourself).
"Love is the fulfilling of the law." Romans 13:10
"This is the love of God, that we keep His commandments: and his commandments are not grievous." 1 John 5:3
Ah...hope. It's like a bar of soap, hold it too tightly and it might slip from your grasp. /poetic mood
Rom 8:24-25 For in this hope we were saved. But hope that is seen is no hope at all. Who hopes for what he already has? But if we hope for what we do not yet have, we wait for it patiently.
Young wrote:
It is easy to think like that becuase our world is now filled with evil, but if we choose to take God's word for it then that is exactly what will happen. The world will be restored and perfect once again.
How will the new earth differ from our earth today?
A. The Lord, in person, will live with them (Revelation 21:3).
B. They will never become bored. There will be pleasures forevermore (Psalms 16:11).
C.There will be no more death, pain, tears, sorrow, sickness, hospitals, operations, tragedy, disappointment, trouble, hunger, or thirst (Revelation 21:4; Isaiah 33:24; Revelation 22:3; Isaiah 65:23; Revelation 7:16).
D. They will not get tired (Isaiah 40:31).
E. Every saved person will be physically whole in every way. The deaf will hear, the blind will see, the dumb will sing, and the lame will be able to run (Isaiah 35:5, 6; Philippians 3:21).
F. Jealousy, fear, hatred, falsehood, envy, impurity, cynicism, filth, worry, and all evil will be forever shut out of God's kingdom (Revelation 21:8, 27; 22:15). People will no longer be burdened with the worries and the cares that drive them to distraction. There will be no more nervous breakdowns. Time will become eternity, and the pressures and deadlines of earth will be gone forever.
The new earth:
A. Vast seas as we know them today will be gone (Revelation 21:1). The oceans and seas cover three-fourths of the earth's surface today. This will not be the case in God's new kingdom. The whole world will be one huge garden of unsurpassed beauty, interspersed with lakes, rivers, and mountains (Revelation 22:1; Acts 3:20, 21).
B. The deserts will become gardens (Isaiah 35:1, 2 ).
C. The animals will all be tame. None will prey upon others, and a little child will lead them (Isaiah 11:6-9; 65:25).
D. There will be no more curse (Revelation 22:3).
E. There will be no more violence of any kind (Isaiah 60:18 ). This precludes crime, storms, floods, earthquakes, tornadoes, injury, etc.
F. Nothing defiling will be found in the new earth (Revelation 21:27). There will be no cigarette butts, tobacco juice, drunkards, taverns, alcoholic beverages, brothels, lewd pictures, or any other wickedness or impurity of any kind.
Source: http://www.amazingfacts.org/items/study_guides.asp