It hurts to be me. Does it hurt to be you?

Hello. I'm new here. You can call me Silver. I'm a 38 year old male. I was diagnosed with Avoidant Personality Disorder when I was 26, although, in retrospect, I have had the disorder, all of my life.

I'd like to vent about the thing that frustrates me the most about my own AvPD. I'm curious to know if anyone else suffers, in the same way.

I am my own worst enemy, in a number of ways, but the way that irritates me the most is what I would describe as "self-cancellation." Self-cancellation is when you avoid doing the positive things that make up who you are as a person. Not only are they positive things, but they are things that you —the REAL you— enjoys doing! (or you enjoyed them at one time) Quite simply: You avoid being you!

To better illustrate my meaning, here are a few personal examples:

I am an artist who does not create.
I am an author who does not write.
I am a bibliophile (bookworm) who does not read.
I am a happy person who does not laugh.
I am an interesting person who is boring.
I despise all of my negative qualities, yet resent all of my positive qualities.

I'm quite an intelligent person. What few friends I have, have nicknamed me "professor." Sometimes, that's a good thing; sometimes, it's a bit of a put-down. It depends on who is saying it. The point is that even though I know my truest friends admire and respect my intelligence, I regularly downplay my smarts. I'll often tell them I don't know the answer to a question, even when I actually do know the answer. I don't want them to see how smart I really am.

The above examples are just a few, out of a long list, of my oxymoronic behaviors.

What can you do when it hurts you to do the things that you love doing, while simultaneously, it does equal damage to yourself when you avoid being yourself?

I am sitting here typing this right now, on a Saturday night, because I can't bring myself to go out and do something even semi-social. There is a big part of me inside that is screaming at me, "Let me out! I want to meet some new people! I want to have fun!" While on the other hand, the other half of me would just be mortified if I were to go do something social. It's like playing tug of war with oneself.

If I stay at home, I am depressed, lonely, and bored.
If I would go out to a bar or club, I'd be just as depressed, lonely, and bored, if not MORE so! (I don't drink, so bars and clubs aren't my thing anyway, but I could just "hang out," if I had the nerve to.) Is it really worth my risking an anxiety attack? (My anxiety attacks are quite horrible experiences for myself. I have journaled over 50 cumulative physical and emotional symptoms! Ironically, the majority of my symptoms are internal, and therefore seldom noticeable to others. However, that makes it no easier for me.)

A better example is there is art class I am interested in taking. I've been curious about that particular class, for several years. I can't afford it, financially, but even if I could, what emotional price would I have to pay for participating? I'm not sure I could afford the latter.

My personal quote to describe how it feels is, "If the poison does not kill you, the antidote will."

I have made many attempts to "put myself out there," in one way or another. They all have failed —quite miserably— and more often than not, it was due to EXTERNAL cause and effect, as opposed to self-sabotage. I've tried a support group, several church singles groups, a trivia team, etc.

Church groups, surprisingly, were the worst. I was ostracized twice because I have this emotional disability and am unable to work for a living. I made the effort to reach out, but they didn't reciprocate. I've run into a lot of adverse reactions from non-religious people as well. I guess people just aren't accepting of people who are unable to work, regardless of the reason or the legitimacy, thereof. Here's what really disturbs me: It's likely if I told people I had cancer (I don't) they'd react in compassion and sympathy, but if people learn I have an emotional disability, they react like I am Frankenstein's monster. Cancer = "You're normal. Can I give you a hug?" / AvPD = "You're not normal! Get the bleep away from me, you freak!"

As I get older, I get wiser, and I adapt somewhat, but with every adaptation, I often gain a new symptom. Living with AvPD is usually "two steps forward and one step back."
 

Lexmark

Well-known member
Really interesting post
I like the " What can you do when it hurts you to do the things that you love doing, while simultaneously, it does equal damage to yourself when you avoid being yourself? " line
Thats pretty much the same as i was
Maby try drinking when you go out next
you will prob loosen up a bit and enjoy more
 
Lexmark said:
Really interesting post
I like the " What can you do when it hurts you to do the things that you love doing, while simultaneously, it does equal damage to yourself when you avoid being yourself? " line
Thats pretty much the same as i was
Maby try drinking when you go out next
you will prob loosen up a bit and enjoy more

LOL... and thanks for the compliment. Actually, I used to drink, socially. I never truly enjoyed it. It was, literally, just something to do with my friends. Believe it or not, whether I have been modestly buzzed, or totally plastered, it had very little effect on my AvPD. Even if I were liquored up, it would probably be easier for me to attempt to assassinate Bin Laden with a rubber band, than approach a woman in a bar whom I find attractive.
 

bleach

Banned
SS,

No doubt.

I especially feel you on the external reinforcement deal. There is simply too much evidence to reinforce my negative self-image and practically nothing against it. I've read a lot -- too much, really -- about positive thinking, building self-esteem and such, but ultimately it feels like the positive reinforcement is the lie. It's based on nothing, why would you believe something just because you are told that it will be better for you? Maybe I am too logical, I want things to be proven, and it feels like there is far less proof for myself than against.
 

missyv

Active member
Hello SilverSorrow

I totally get it. :? Everything you describe here equals "missyv" only due to plantar HH. :( I usually do not leave the house for weeks at the time because I just can't face that sometimes awful cruel world out of doors. You're right, people don't understand when you are suffering with any kind of social disorder. Only those who have taken a walk in your shoes can even come close to understanding how the shoe feels. :!:

When I was an active person at work and play, 8) I could have never imagined what it would feel like to be stuck behind closed doors trying to escape from myself. I usually don't leave the house for weeks on weeks at the time; and when I do, it's because I have to get laundry done. I open my front door and if I see a neighbor coming up the stairs to their apartment I find a reason to duck back inside. I've totally lost it.

I too am my own worst enemy. I have allowed me to cripple me with fear.

I will put the time and effort to groom myself for an outing and yeah, once you get out, it's like participating in a track meet to get back in.

I did all of the self-help and empowerment work before I began to suffer with HH so all of that info is in the back of my brain somewhere. I pull it out often, but I'm just too afraid to act on it. :idea:

Speaking of "Church", you will find some of the most hypocritical people in that setting. God, please forgive me for saying it, but it's the truth. I was brought up in a church setting and it allowed me to feel as though I'd made my goal for the week after attending on Sundays. However, I have not been able to get there for approx one year with HH. I'm scared to death of being rejected even at church :!:

Sorry, there I go again, tripping, like its all about me :D

SilverSorrow, you are an awsomely intelligent being who deserves to be out there doing your thing. It's unfortunate when the creative "Genius" in us can become stiffiled and consumed with fear.

Just two years ago I was out there, counseling and teaching others how to start-up/plan and development a small business. I thought I was better after relocating to Baltimore from NYC (where I had been housebound for sometime not knowing what was wrong with me.l) I thought I had just stepped out of the "Twilight Zone" and back into my life. Well, that all came to a screetching halt and I became fearful of life once again.

I think I'm at my worst point yet with this thing called life.

I totally get it, and yeah, "It does hurt to be me". :evil:
 
I have thought endlessly about what it might be like if I didn't have AvPD. I have come to the conclusion that life probably would not be much easier. If you take out the AvPD factor, there are still so many factors about my personality that would make things extremely challenging even I were an extrovert. It's a mammoth effort for me to find any peers.


I am 38 years old, I have never been married, and I've never had a child.
I have never met anyone, close to my age, who has not been married and/or hasn't had a child. This factor alone makes me virtually "alien."

Add to the above, my interests, hobbies, talents, values... then I become even more "alien" to most people I have met, or could meet, especially in the area I live in. One popular example is the fact that I don't drink. When I tell people I don't drink and I don't care for bars and nightclubs, they react very negatively. Cleancut, strait-laced folks don't "make the team" in my locale.

I've come to the conclusion that I am either in the wrong time period, or the wrong place to live, or both. I'm a "Leave it to Beaver" kind of guy, living in a "Jerry Springer" kind of world. I can't move. I wouldn't know where to go even if I could move.

Maybe I should just give up and become a full-blown hermit.
 

social_failure

Active member
SilverSorrow said:
Here's what really disturbs me: It's likely if I told people I had cancer (I don't) they'd react in compassion and sympathy, but if people learn I have an emotional disability, they react like I am Frankenstein's monster. Cancer = "You're normal. Can I give you a hug?" / AvPD = "You're not normal! Get the bleep away from me, you freak!"

I dont know about you, but when I tell someone about being a Social Phobic/AvPD (I think im a subtle mix of both..), they usually react with sympathy and end up being really nice about it.
And you have to remember, life is going to be difficult, even if you didn't have AvPD, there would always be something else to make things difficult. Its like that for everyone, just some people end up with more things to fight against. It's not giving up, no matter the circumstances, is what makes a strong person.

...sorry if that made no sense, just trying to offer some kind of help.
 
Hi! I really like your personal examples. Welcome here, even though I kind of know you already. Well I am not a reader, so since I didn't read the whole thing, I don't have all that much to say. Anyways, welcome and good luck.

-PsychoD
 

restless

Member
Brilliant post I must say. It can’t be described better.


SilverSorrow said:
"If the poison does not kill you, the antidote will."

Well, it is now my personal quote too.

SilverSorrow said:
There is a big part of me inside that is screaming at me, "Let me out! I want to meet some new people! I want to have fun!" While on the other hand, the other half of me would just be mortified if I were to go do something social. It's like playing tug of war with oneself.

I feel exactly the same. This is war of attrition without winner. I compare this situation with scenes of the old cartoons when there was an angel and a devil on the shoulders of the characters suggesting to do good or evil things. The difference is that there is unknown what is good and evil - staying lonely or try to go out.

SilverSorrow said:
Believe it or not, whether I have been modestly buzzed, or totally plastered, it had very little effect on my AvPD. Even if I were liquored up, it would probably be easier for me to attempt to assassinate Bin Laden with a rubber band, than approach a woman in a bar whom I find attractive.

Yeah, I have experienced it. When I was drunk at a few parties, which I attend, I have the same difficulties in my relations with girls. It is like some part of my mind was still sober, analyzes the situation and I keep avoiding being me. The most boldly thing that I was done drunk at the party is dancing with a girl and even drunk I had significant difficulties asking for this. This was long ago. I haven't been at a party for three years. Nevertheless, the alcohol helps a lot for going on parties, clubs or bars. Without solid booze, it is total nightmare going in such places.
 

dottie

Well-known member
totally relate with everything. i wish i could go on disability because of avpd and be like fuckall. people don't understand how hard it is inside. does not compute. i agree with everything you said. although, you may try a different church group. some churches are very cliquey. they vary widely so don't give up on that if church is your thing. it's not my thing personally but, ya'know.
 
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