Melancholia versus nervous illness

[Earthcircle]

Could this be why some of us never progressed in therapy?

Rethinking the Diagnosis of Depression | World of Psychology

 

[VinDiesel]

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[Earthcircle]

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I suppose you are being sarcastic and that you find me offensive, right?

 

[Draconess25]

I think it makes sense. The only thing I don't like is that it seems to downplay nervous illness. :/ But that could just be my overly-critical mind.

 

[Kiwong]

Vin's post sounds like a spam message to me.

 

[Kiwong]

Very interesting article Earth Circle

 

[Earthcircle]

Shyness was considered part of the neurasthenic syndrome (I'm reading Shorter's book). I wonder how many of us would be greatly benefited by the traditional (pre-Freudian) treatment for neurasthenia, namely rest. This was serious rest, e.g. spending a week at a spa, spending several days staying mostly in bed doing nothing, exercising daily. Obviously, not all of these treatments are compatible. When you are told that your problem is primarily a mood disorder, speaking for myself, there is a tendency to feel helpless, especially when the meds have bizarre effects on you and free associating about childhood seems to be leading nowhere.

 

[coyote]

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[Kiwong]

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[Kiwong]

Shyness was considered part of the neurasthenic syndrome (I'm reading Shorter's book). I wonder how many of us would be greatly benefited by the traditional (pre-Freudian) treatment for neurasthenia, namely rest. This was serious rest, e.g. spending a week at a spa, spending several days staying mostly in bed doing nothing, exercising daily. Obviously, not all of these treatments are compatible. When you are told that your problem is primarily a mood disorder, speaking for myself, there is a tendency to feel helpless, especially when the meds have bizarre effects on you and free associating about childhood seems to be leading nowhere.

It does concern me that so many doctors are keen to prescribe medication with a diagnosis for depression without offering other forms of treatment such as CBT. I actually lost confidence with mainstream doctors and pursued answers for my ill health and a lifestyle I found helpful. Exercise and rest are a part of that.

 

[Earthcircle]

It does concern me that so many doctors are keen to prescribe medication with a diagnosis for depression without offering other forms of treatment such as CBT. I actually lost confidence with mainstream doctors and pursued answers for my ill health and a lifestyle I found helpful. Exercise and rest are a part of that.

CBT is still all in the head. Shorter points out that the older neurasthenic diagnosis was more somatic. It was thought to be a condition of the body generally, so that hot baths, long naps, and exercise would help relieve it.

 

[Draconess25]

CBT is still all in the head. Shorter points out that the older neurasthenic diagnosis was more somatic. It was thought to be a condition of the body generally, so that hot baths, long naps, and exercise would help relieve it.

That makes a lot of sense, because I usually feel more anxious and paranoid when I'm tired, and less so when I'm more well-rested.

 

[Kiwong]

CBT is still all in the head. Shorter points out that the older neurasthenic diagnosis was more somatic. It was thought to be a condition of the body generally, so that hot baths, long naps, and exercise would help relieve it.

I was diagnosed with haemochromatosis a disease of the body that can effect organs including the brain. I was treated for that with de-ironing. I still find techniques such as CBT to be beneficial. The answers for my anxiety are complex and involve a range of treatments.

My illness is more than just a disease of the body, quite a bit of it is in my head as well. The way I think is part of that.

 

[Earthcircle]

I was diagnosed with haemochromatosis a disease of the body that can effect organs including the brain. I was treated for that with de-ironing. I still find techniques such as CBT to be beneficial. The answers for my anxiety are complex and involve a range of treatments.

My illness is more than just a disease of the body, quite a bit of it is in my head as well. The way I think is part of that.

No one said that neurasthenia is completely outside the head. It is, after all, a condition of the nervous system. Anyway, I am not even certain that neurasthenia would be a correct diagnosis in your case. For me, it helps make sense of a lot of things about myself.

 

[Earthcircle]

This is the first time in a long time that I've actually felt that there might be some hope. Past treatments didn't work for me, because the diagnostic categories were messed up in the first place. Medication appropriate for someone with a nervous breakdown is not necessarily appropriate for someone with nervous illness. The classic treatments for the latter need to be re-explored.

 

[Kiwong]

No one said that neurasthenia is completely outside the head. It is, after all, a condition of the nervous system. Anyway, I am not even certain that neurasthenia would be a correct diagnosis in your case. For me, it helps make sense of a lot of things about myself.

Do you think there might be some work you can do on your way of thinking, Earthcircle, or do you think the problem is all within your body? The second post on this thread was a spam post , however, your mind led yourself to believe that it was a sarcastic post and that the poster found you offensive. Maybe CBT could have something to offer. Just an observation, not a criticism, and for the record I don't think you are a bad person or offensive.

 

[Earthcircle]

Do you think there might be some work you can do on your way of thinking, Earthcircle, or do you think the problem is all within your body? The second post on this thread was a spam post , however, your mind led yourself to believe that it was a sarcastic post and that the poster found you offensive. Maybe CBT could have something to offer. Just an observation, not a criticism, and for the record I don't think you are a bad person or offensive.

You can keep your modern methods, at least for social anxiety. I've had them up to the gills for many years. :thumbdown:

To make a long story short: you're not distinguishing cause from symptom. "There is a mental symptom, therefore the cause is mental" is not solid reasoning.

By the way, I've had tons of CBT as well as psycho****ytic psychotherapy. CBT is good for OCD. Psycho****ytic psychotherapy is good for nothing.

 

[Kiwong]

You can keep your modern methods, at least for social anxiety. I've had them up to the gills for many years. :thumbdown:

To make a long story short: you're not distinguishing cause from symptom. "There is a mental symptom, therefore the cause is mental" is not solid reasoning.

By the way, I've had tons of CBT as well as psycho****ytic psychotherapy. CBT is good for OCD. Psycho****ytic psychotherapy is good for nothing.

I see it as a better way of thinking. It's is about being more objective, more logical, less sensitive, less reactionary. It's exercising the mind. It's about thinking more clearly before reacting to what people may say to you.

Thinking more objectively, more intelligently has been a method used throughout history.

For example that is a spam post, not a personal attack. That's deductive thinking not CBT.

 

[dottie]

so what? anxiety and depression are two different things. not news.

 

[Earthcircle]

I see it as a better way of thinking. It's is about being more objective, more logical, less sensitive, less reactionary. It's exercising the mind. It's about thinking more clearly before reacting to what people may say to you.

Thinking more objectively, more intelligently has been a method used throughout history.

For example that is a spam post, not a personal attack. That's deductive thinking not CBT.

I haven't made myself clear. Look, I'm 48 years old. I first sought help when I was ten, and was receiving help on a regular basis when I was 15. Now I have tried pretty much everything by now. I know a lot about CBT, and ... you name it. I feel that the mental health professions have really let me down, and I need a new paradigm.