Embarrassment to family, humanity, and sentient life in general.

Hello there. It's Friday night and I'm bored, and alone obviously. Mght as well clog this forum up with my life story, seeing as I'm new here, in the hopes of meeting some people in a similarly hopeless situation. This other social anxiety forum I'm on doesn't have a section for avoidant personality.

You can probably tell from my slightly weird, egocentric style of writing (lots of "I"s) that I've spent so much time alone, I have become completely self-absorbed.

I live in England, and am 20. Childhood - fairly uneventful, even idyllic you might say. I had enough friends as a lad, and was able to socialise. But there was always something slightly "off". I was, and am, exceedingly shy and introverted. I felt weird and uncomfortable around girls, had even less of an idea what to say to them than guys (well, boys - children aren't exactly "guys"). The girl thing is one example of many milestones growing up that I just didn't achieve, because of anxiety and awkwardness for one thing, but mainly because I just wasn't an emotional enough guy in that way to form connections on that level with people. It's ironic how being way too sensitive can in the end result in you being emotionally braindead.

Another problem I had was with confrontation. I just don't feel rage, definitely not strong enough to fight anyone - verbally or physically. Probably another example of the emotional disconnect. So the few times I got into such situations, I either lost the fight badly (physical) or got upset (verbal), or simply ran away. I don't have the backbone to stand up for myself - never have, probably never will. It's a big character flaw. Whatever drives people to have relationships, and get into fights - I must lack it.

Apart from a limited amount of social anxiety, as a kid I also had bad OCD. It's still here a bit, e.g. blinking my eyes in a pattern, but over the years I've mostly got it under control (probably as my focus shifted to the more pressing matter of massive social embarrassment). But at the time, it was on my mind very often. I had to touch things a certain number of times, walk in an even/odd number of steps, things like that. If I didn't, I felt everything was wrong, felt anxious, etc. Anyway.

It was when I turned 11 that social phobia really shifted gears. Moved to a new school with none of my old friends. The whole environment felt "menacing" and hostile from day one. I'm a chronically fearful introvert afraid of confrontation and unable to connect emotionally. Children are a lot more forgiving to people like me, but once everyone hits puberty and develops the testosterone-fuelled bastard side of human nature, people like me are bound to not fit in and get singled out as losers so they can make themselves feel higher on the food chain. I wasn't bullied that badly though, and would've got anxiety regardless. It started with stuff like public speaking, which I was already shaky on. Then just having people look at me in class, then walking around school or town. And so on. What happened was/is shaking and blushing, accompanied by intense fear breaking into panic at times. It just got worse and worse, and I didn't seek help from a professional or my family due to embarrassment. I can barely even eat at the same table as my family any more.

By the time I was 16, the anxiety was really interfering with my academic performance. I had no friends, no life, and spent all my time hiding at home on the computer. But even that I had stopped enjoying as much, as the constant stress and failure took its toll. After I took my GCSE exams at 16, I was so cynical about life, and good at rationalising bad decisions, I decided f*** it, and ordered Xanax over the internet to take for the next year of school, as I couldn't see myself being able to cope with the pressure of starting a whole new round of classes, especially with only the high-achievers left at school (who tended to be the worst to me, they weren't nerdy). Xanax made me not care about anything, and it was gratifying at first to talk to those testosterone-fuelled bastards without fear. But annoyingly benzos make you stupid, so my retorts weren't witty. I did have a tiny bit of a social life during this time, but it was pretty pathetic, and mostly based around taking crazy amounts of drugs with my drug friends. And it wasn't glamorous druggyness like consuming MDMA and going to raves - more like inhaling nitrous on park benches when there was no house to go to. One time I K-holed in a small forest, and my so-called friend just walked off and left me there, delirious. Great friends.

As you might predict, my benzo (and multiple other psychoactive substances)-fuelled school performance was a massive failure, and I dropped out, and endured the horrible withdrawals for months. But I didn't stop there. Over the next few years I relentlessly tried to chase the happy, hypomanic, relaxed state of mind certain drugs can induce, as a way of coping, and failed several college attempts as a result. The problems were that those kind of feelings don't last, and I was simultaneously addicted to recreational drug use which interfered with life. And the drugs that seriously relax you also tend to make you as stupid as a brick. I did at some point tell my doctor about the anxiety, and my family, but never gave up high-chasing and always considered their meds useless in comparison to euphoric drugs.

Recently, I've given up that way of thinking. I'll only take a drug/medication regularly now if it works long-term in whatever it's supposed to achieve. Like, antidepressants seem to stop me being depressed for as long as I take them, even if the stronger mood lift of the first few months fades away. But drugs like GHB, opiates, amphetamine - their euphoric, hyper-social effects are all but gone before long.

My recreational use and self-medication both ended when I had a psychotic break, from staying up for 4 days on a designer stimulant, then smoking hash, then injecting methoxetamine into my bum. Not my finest moment - the only time I've ever used a needle. It's not the only time I've had bad things come from crazy irresponsible drug use. After I overdosed on GBL one time, I developed seizures, for which I now have to take epilepsy meds which make me less intelligent, and sad. I'm trying to put that way of life behind me.

So as of now, I'm clinically depressed, and suicide is on my mind most days, though I'm not considering doing it for the time being. I think giving up on the notion that something can increase my sense of pleasure reliably, and losing that as a coping mechanism, played a big role. For a long while my motivation and ability to find things interesting has dwindled, to the point where even using the computer takes a lot of effort. This started before I ingested anything mind-altering, and I've never been one to take that much interest in life. But anyway, my psychiatrist has just put me on Prozac. I'm also adding in a few of my own supplements and pharmaceuticals, but only stuff with long term efficacy. And recreationals are out of the picture until at least I'm stable mentally and have my life sorted... Which will be a long time by the looks of things.

All I do is eat, sleep, do stuff on the computer, and hide away in my flat. When the antidepressant kicks in I'm going to try to do a bit more with my life, but the anxiety is too overpowering to take college classes or anything with more than a tiny social interaction requirement. I want a job like delivering stuff, or working in a warehouse. Until I can get educated (probably via distance learning) and do computer programming from home, assuming I don't have a miraculous personality shift overnight.

As an armchair psychiatrist with all the power of Google and Wikipedia, it is my educated opinion that my avoidant-ness developed as a way of coping with the anxiety that comes from trying to integrate socially when I was at my core an absent-minded loner (or someone requiring a great deal of interpersonal distancing) with schizoid personality disorder, or the precursors to it. Whether something in my very early childhood triggered it, rather than genetics, is a mystery. But my Grandma had schizophrenia, which is linked, and descriptions of schizoid PD fit me almost perfectly. And both parents have social anxiety to some degree, one being on an SSRI for it.

If you read that massive wall of text, congrats. If you relate to my woes, I really want to talk to more people with AvPD, so if you want, message me and I'll give you my MSN/Skype/whatever. If you have AvPD AND schizoid PD, even better. Or anything related. And I barely know anyone with these problems locally, it'd be cool for someone from England, the south/south east in particular, to get in touch. I struggle leading conversations, and often am very boring to talk to (“Wow, now I really want to talk to you – especially with the username utterlyinsane!”), but maybe that's because finding people on the same wavelength is hard.
 
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Clara001

Active member
Welcome :)
All I can say is I wish you'd live close to me, so we could "eat, sleep, do stuff on the computer, and hide away in the flat" together. I could really use a friend who is as f*cked up as me to hang out with (sorry, I guess?).
I don't really have any advice but once again, welcome. There's a lot of people with similar problems to yours out here. Me being one of them.
 

Ravens

Well-known member
A moving story, really sorry to hear about a lot of the crap you had to deal with. I can't relate to all of it, just bits and pieces, but like Clara kind of touched on... wouldn't it have been great if we could have met like-minded people as we grew up?
I think if I'd have had someone to share my problems with and in turn help someone else, it would have made a big difference.
Anyway, welcome to SPW, I hope you find some use from the forum :)
 

bsammy

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drugs, even anti-depressants really didnt help me much and ive tried many of them..the mood lift i got from them was more of a 'numbing' sensation more than a positive one..i do admit that certain anti-depressants did help not care about much at all, but the problem was, i stopped caring about many other things as well..i became a somewhat content person that just wanted to work and watch tv..some of the anti-Ds gave me problems with lethargy or sexual side effects so it became a constant battle of good and bad effects..so i ditched them and now stick to moderate alcohol/caffeine consumption and daily exercise...not a solution though but it helps...

you are 20 years old, i must ask what you plan to change in near future as these are your key years.i was told that when i was your age and i cringed because i was basically only able to go to work and then come home and recoup..that is if i was even working at the time.but you wil find if you dont establish some relationships in next few years then when you hit yours 30s you will be in a bad spot..im 35 so trust me on this..


i think avoidant pd at an young age could 'evolve' into schizoid pd..ive heard of both PDs existing in the same person.paranoid pd also possibly being in the mix.once you have all these constant push/pull behaviors going on its maddening to try and fix.in this world one must network or be social to a point in order to fit in or to get a job etc etc.much less be able to maintain relationships.
 

Kiwong

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Newsagents, chemists, service stations, supermarkets I have avoided them all.

Introspectivity is my middle name.

Welcome to the forum, UI.
 

we_r_eternal

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your story is very similiar to mine- one difference being that i got so physically addicted to opiates and benzos that it's completely ruined my life. i can def identify with your story tho-
 
your story is very similiar to mine- one difference being that i got so physically addicted to opiates and benzos that it's completely ruined my life. i can def identify with your story tho-

How addicted did you get? Sucks man. I've been physically dependent on several different opioids several different times, and even at relatively moderate doses, the withdrawals take a lot of resolve to get through. Not the same as benzo withdrawal though. The only way I am able to give up addictive behaviour is to keep reminding myself that the high can't be sustained. If there was a drug that worked forever in elevating your mood, I'd have no hesitation in taking it.
 

Aletheia

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Embarrassment to family, humanity, and sentient life in general.

I just wanted to say that reading this was the reason I joined these boards. I relate to that like you wouldn't believe.

You can probably tell from my slightly weird, egocentric style of writing (lots of "I"s) that I've spent so much time alone, I have become completely self-absorbed.

And this. I'm obsessively introspective (see! I, I, I) which too much therapy has only exacerbated.

I could really use a friend who is as f*cked up as me to hang out with.

And this, from Clara001.

Story about that: my cousin has had an on-again off-again girlfriend for the past twenty-odd years, and she's always been regarded by the family with some suspicion and derision (which is painful because that must be how they see me).

I'd never met her because she'd always dodged family gatherings, but she finally came along to my uncle's birthday bash a few months ago. My poor uncle, I completely ignored him because Iona and I nattered non-stop all evening. I still don't know exactly what her situation is, we didn't talk about any of that, in fact I think that the reason it was such a relief talking to her is that we didn't have to.

I keep thinking that I should try to get in contact with her, but I'm too shy to. Meh.
 
wouldn't it have been great if we could have met like-minded people as we grew up?
I think if I'd have had someone to share my problems with and in turn help someone else, it would have made a big difference.:)

It definitely would've helped, I think. But I've never known anyone with the same problems, only mild social anxiety, which just isn't the same.

you are 20 years old, i must ask what you plan to change in near future as these are your key years.i was told that when i was your age and i cringed because i was basically only able to go to work and then come home and recoup..that is if i was even working at the time.but you wil find if you dont establish some relationships in next few years then when you hit yours 30s you will be in a bad spot..im 35 so trust me on this..

Not really sure. I'm going to try to get a socially isolated job once the meds are working, which will enable me to get a car, and perhaps attend a few meetups with likeminded people.

I just wanted to say that reading this was the reason I joined these boards. I relate to that like you wouldn't believe.



And this. I'm obsessively introspective (see! I, I, I) which too much therapy has only exacerbated.

Story about that: my cousin has had an on-again off-again girlfriend for the past twenty-odd years, and she's always been regarded by the family with some suspicion and derision (which is painful because that must be how they see me).

I'd never met her because she'd always dodged family gatherings, but she finally came along to my uncle's birthday bash a few months ago. My poor uncle, I completely ignored him because Iona and I nattered non-stop all evening. I still don't know exactly what her situation is, we didn't talk about any of that, in fact I think that the reason it was such a relief talking to her is that we didn't have to.

I keep thinking that I should try to get in contact with her, but I'm too shy to. Meh.

Glad you could relate. I used to think I was a total freak of nature, uniquely screwed up in the head, but browsing the internet it's clear that, although my issues are very rare, similar people do exist in the world.
 

stevelee24

Well-known member
Its really amazing how similar this story is to mine its almost identical apart from the part where you got in to drugs and meds ive never taken drugs or meds in my life i did have a time from about 17-19 where i used alchol to get the courage to go out to partys ect but i guess thats pretty common for people with SA.
My grandmother also has schizophrenia that i found very interesting as i always thought there could be a link there.
I feel for you bud, im 28 now and feel like im drifting through life and have not even begun to start what anyone would call a normal life. The only thing i have really is my music i sit at home all day producing but even that is getting hard im finding as the days go by im getting less and less interested in anything i feel like i just want to lay in bed all day and night.
Your not alone and thanks for taking the time to post your story
 

teebs

New member
You seem to be similar to me, I like to call people like us ‘really swell guys’ Intelligent weirdoes who statistically must exist but rarely contact each other in real life due to our natures.

I haven’t really had a friend since I was 12 years old, and kid friendships aren’t the same. There were people I hung around with at school simply so I wouldn’t be alone at lunchtimes. However, about the age of 16 when I started getting some height and confidence in myself, I became completely solitary.

Now at uni, I’m finding this way of being makes it difficult to function. It’s much harder for me to find a flat and end up wasting tons of money finding somewhere suitable. For practical work and fieldwork, we’re always told to form groups or pairs but for me that’s next to impossible. Without the friendship cloud of information, any mistake you make, you suffer for it: I’ve missed so many deadlines this way. I’ve got the facial expressions of a statue; I can make words but for me speaking is like playing a musical instrument where everybody else is a virtuoso while I’m a bumbling amateur.

In first year, I had to share a toilet and kitchen with three NORPS. I couldn’t face them, wasn’t terrified of them as such… they’re probably more scared of me than I of them – lol really I’m not such a freak but I’m told my rigid face looks me look like a serial killer. I met them in the kitchen on the first day, they were obviously creeped out by me immediately, running through their minds ‘omg we gotta spend the year with a guy like this…’, to say the least the conversation was awkward. That was the last time I entered the kitchen, the rest of the year I only ate tesco sandwiches and stuff heated with a kettle: was pretty hardcore xD. My sleeping pattern, in an attempt to not meet anybody while going to the toilet, went from odd to totally ****ing broken. 1-2 hour stretches at random times in the day. When you don’t sleep properly your memories don’t form right and you lose yourself as a person moving through time. I was adrift, completely immersed in my fantasies, missed 75%+ of lectures. Can’t really afford to miss that much now, got a better grip on things but still not in great mental shape.

Think I’m quite normal really, just a loner, certainly not a different species. I listen to tons and tons of music 16 hours a day, watch thousands of movies, at my height 3 full per day. Play pc games, mostly rpgs with stints in mmos: wow and ff11. Read tons of books, almost exclusively fantasy but sci fi and plainer fiction also. Lots of fun stuff to do even whilst alone. When I’m older I’ll have a dog and every weekend go hiking in the mountains, make my own furniture, maybe meet a bookish lady who I can get along with. You seem to have gone through a lot of drug problems, seizures and epilepsy meds sounds like an ass pain… but i’m saying, life can be good, not ever easy but worth it. Just a dance where creatures have been moving to the tune of the chemicals of their bodies for millions of years. It’s like a river of connected lives and deaths. I consider myself a piece of detritus floating on top like driftwood and there are worse things to be.

Well I’m sorry for hijacking your thread and dumping a cathartic ‘I fest’

I just wanted to say, KEEP ON TRUCKIN’ BROTHER

Also, don’t top your self. Death is so very final. Life….Life is full of possibilities.
 

we_r_eternal

Well-known member
How addicted did you get? Sucks man. I've been physically dependent on several different opioids several different times, and even at relatively moderate doses, the withdrawals take a lot of resolve to get through. Not the same as benzo withdrawal though. The only way I am able to give up addictive behaviour is to keep reminding myself that the high can't be sustained. If there was a drug that worked forever in elevating your mood, I'd have no hesitation in taking it.

extremely addicted.. i was sent to rehad where they put me suboxone to get me off the heroin, oxycodone, methadone, and everyother painkiller that was in my system. since rehad i take 80mg oxy daily, in a way that similiar to a methadone clinic. its dosed out to me every morning. so iv never gotten all the way clean but this is as close as im gonna get. i did get off benzos completelty but now i score a bottle of 60 2mg pills everymonth. right now iv got 15 2mg ativan in my pocket but i have a little better self control so i wont eat em 10 ata time anymore!lol!
 
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