what do you think ??

[kt2222]

what do you think?

yesterday i got in a heated debate with a member from another panic attack forum.

im of the attitude that when you suffer from social phobia's panic attacks that in most cases it is in our heads..

panic attacks are simply a reaction to fear however that fear is conjured by our own minds.. once we have learned not to fear ourselves panic attacks so subside... i have my own theory and put these in to practice and it has worked many times.

However i believe in out nature as sufferers we are looking for a physical answer a disease a condition that is causing this.

anyway this member was adamant that all sufferers are Mentally ill with chemical imbalances only treatable with medication

how many of us are willing to believe that we are mentall ill?

i for one dont believe this ... im not clinically depressed no mental health issue's for bill of health yet i still suffer from this condition.

so simply HOW MANY OF US.. BELIEVE WE ARE MENTALLY ILL?????????

 

[ioanna]

As i couldnt understand all of your phrases -i dont know good english- i ll try answer.
i dont is something we cause..one of my fears is crossing roads with many cars..no matter how many times i ll cross before going i get panic attacks..i try to calm myself but its not something i cause..

 

[kt2222]

No i dont mean that we make our selves this way.. but our fear of something is made by our own minds we have taught ourselves to fear something that is totally irational

 

[ioanna]

how?i remember this fear since my childhood but still cant stop it..

 

[Nack]

I dont want to believe that, but at the same time i believe it also. I mean, the cause is not only because of chemical inbalance in the brain, i believe its have some other factors included.

If medication is the way to solve Social anxiety then i would have taken that route long ago. But, i am an open minded person, and i think that i have what is takes to get rid of it without the use of drugs.

 

[kt2222]

i totally agree i believe there are many levels of this condition. howver just a some sufferers hate being told there is nothing physically wrong or mentally wrong.. there are some sufferers me being one of them that refuse to except that this stems from a physical condition i found by being told just that it only prolonged my social phobia... we are just feeding the fear with the fear that we are told we are physically or mentally ill!

the thing is ionna our brains are empty in a sense from birth.. i do believe that some mental condition are genetic. However fear is not genentic it is a emotion a primal response .. without it humans would not walk the planet.

for instance a fear of a spider you are not born with that fear.. the fear is put there
in your case crossing the road you werent born with that fear somewhere along the line probably far from your memory a bad experience or maybe someone else's anxiety about crossing roads lead you to be frightened.. your panic response now goes in to over drive.. your brain has been programmed to flee from that situation....

your brain and body will want to flee from fear.. the fight or flight we have programmed ourselves to fear something irrational. it's a very real feeling and absolutley natural response so my point being if we can programme we can re programme.

i really do believe that if we looked at this condition rationally.. excepted that we arent crazy or ill. then i believe thats where are indivudual answers lie.

i hate to say it .. and i was one of them but i have spoke many times on forums and support groups and the overwhelming impression i get is that we are finding excuses.

A PANIC ATTACK IS CAUSED BY OUR MINDS.. FEARING SOMETHING IRRATIONAL .. THE ONLY PERSON WHO CAN HELP.. IS OURSELVES AND ASKING A DOCTOR OR LOOKING A BOTTLE OF PILLS FOR A CURE WILL NEVER WORK THEY CAN HELP US WITH THE SYMPTOMS BUT NEVER CURE US.. THE CURE IS US!

 

[kayelle]

I agree with you kt2222. I don't believe that SA or panic are physical disorders at all. The subconscious is an incredibly powerful thing, and your brain retains not just your memories, but feelings, how you felt in particular situations throughout your life, without you even knowing at the time that you're feeling this way, and these inadequate feelings manifest themselves in different ways, and in us manifests as SA and panic.
For example, it took me a very long time to figure out how I had developed this problem. I eventually figured out it was the pressure I got from both myself and especially my parents to do well in school and college (and for my parents, doing well means being the best, top of the class, full marks, etc.). Even though I hadn't felt that pressure directly, it had broken me down gradually. Things from my childhood resurfaced that I had barely any memory of.
in many cases, The brain automatically causes the fear reaction that causes panic, so we feel we are out of control of the reaction. We really need to get deep into our thoughts to figure out why this is happening, that's why I think some people believe it's a physical thing they can't control.

Long post! Sorry!

 

[coriander1992]

I agree with you, I think.

It's simply (Well, perhaps not simply!) the fact that we become overwhelmed because of our fear of the percieved to be threatening situation.

If the other person were correct, then cognitive therapies would not have the sort of success rates that they do have.

It's a case of realising that our fears are irrational (Which is the hard bit when you're so scared of something!) and changing our negative thoughts; social phobics always think the worst is going to happen, but if you can change that way of thinking then there's effectively nothing to fear.

If you're only looking to get rid of your symptomns then hey, medication's the way forward. Combined with cognitive therapy it's the best treatment ever, but not the be all and end all.

Yeah, so basically I agree with you :lol:

 

[aaaiiihhh]

I agree.

I've never been in therapy for social anxiety, but I had made it a personal goal of mine many years ago to try to get better. It is about an irrational fear and conditioning yourself to know it's okay. Making yourself do fearful things... then repeatedly seeing a good outcome has definitely helped me get over a lot of social anxieties I had before.

Of course I'm not completely out of the water, or else I wouldn't be here, but hey... it's a life long journey of improvement.

 

[no1]

what the hell? everything is "material". Everything of the world is material. Now "physical"? I don't know. Some people just like to think everything material is also "physical". I don't know if I believe in soul, spirit, "mind holograms", whatever. It's still material. We have a brain, neurotransmitters, hormones, "chemicals" or just any element that we use to exist, are completely material. We use the brain and a lot of these things for all mental things. If we didn't have a brain, we wouldn't have "mental". If we didn't have a body we wouldn't have that. So maybe, MAYBE things that are "mental" are also physical, or at least material.

I dont know anything about a "soul" or a "hologrammatic mindsphere" lol made of light airy "non physical stuff" which can be .. moved around very easily and manipulated. Yeah sure it's easy for some things.. for others it might not be.

Who knows what the hell. We live in a material world that's all I know. There are things that may be considered non physical as well but it doesn't always mean that just because it's non physical it's like lighter than air and sh*t, and always easy to manipulate.