Tired of losing friends, last one sticks with me

MisterMatt

New member
Once my coworker and friend Valerie started dating a new guy, things went south between us. It’d be nice if it could be explained as the standard focusing-attention-on-new-guy, but she has only strengthened old and made new friendships.
We were getting along just fine when, February of last year, she explained that she doesn’t like using the phone—even with her new boyfriend, so I shouldn’t expect calls or texts from her. Because of this stance, she asked that I not call or text her, either. On the same vein, Valerie said she doesn’t want to chat with people at work... including me. If we have to talk at work, she wants it to be just about work.
“I have a problem with this,” I admitted. “It makes me feel like you’re cutting me out of your life.”
She countered, “Well, I don’t have a problem with it. This is what I want.”
Prior to that day, she had mentioned a desire to communicate less with me. One time she claimed it was because I knew so much, she didn’t want to risk us having a conversation at work that could embarrass her—thus, having all communication at work focus on the job.
I’ve asked if I did something wrong or could do something to fix things; Valerie offered, “Give it time.” In other words, do nothing. I’ve taken her aside several times, making statements such as, “I’m really depressed that you don’t want me to call or talk to you.” She would respond with comments like, “I understand.” When I’d comment that I miss spending time with her, she’d shrug, “Friendship ebbs and flows,” i.e., they come and go.
“I feel like I should just leave you alone,” I concluded.
“Ok,” she responded.
Over the next few months, I indeed backed off, reluctantly. She, meanwhile, became more social and outgoing, always discussing personal things with other coworkers, telling them she’ll call or text them later, even standing in the middle of our workplace talking to her boyfriend on the phone. Every instance is a knife in my side.
Occasionally, she’d shoot me a text or ask me how my weekend was... but each time, my mind would scream that she doesn’t truly want me to respond. Once when I was out, she wrote, “Missed you at work today.” I stared at the text wondering if it was some kind of sick joke. How am I supposed to respond to her when she asked me not to?!
The last time we got together, she wanted to discuss our friendship. I remarked that she doesn’t know how important she is to me. Her response was, “I’m not attracted to you at all.” Didn’t know how to take that; she’s repeatedly made it clear she wasn’t interested in me, noting she would NEVER date me, but damn if she didn’t make it sound like there’s nothing worthwhile in me. More importantly, when I said that to her, I meant that she doesn’t realize just how lonely I am. She was my ONLY friend. I’ve always struggled to connect with others; with this rift between us, I haven’t received a single call from anyone in over a year. That’s the kind of isolation I endure (and yes, I try to contact others without living like a hermit).
Shortly before this began, we were both suffering from depression and, her, anxiety attacks. Valerie gave me the best compliment when she remarked that I was probably her closest friend. Suddenly I’m replaced by her boyfriend and my absence is not even noticed. She’s happy and enjoying life. I try my best to be happy for her but am nevertheless miserable.
What is the issue? It’s not naturally drifting apart—it’s being cut out. Am I just jumping to conclusions? Not when I’m ignored... when I’m told not to talk to her. Maybe it wasn’t about me? Of course it was—I’m the only one she stopped talking to. Maybe she just has her own issues to work out? Busy and life gets in the way? Then how can she make new friends? So many websites comfort, “Don’t think you’re a bad person because someone doesn’t want to be your friend.” Then why is it that EVERY friend I’ve EVER made has suddenly decided they want nothing to do with me?
 

Requiescat

Well-known member
That's harsh! I've witnessed this type of thing before, there really isn't much you can do. They have made their feelings felt and that's the end of it. A warning however, things are likely to turn sour at some point with this girl and her boyfriend. Please don't be a doormat if she comes running back to you. In her case it sounds like the classic "putting relationships before friends" routine. It virtually always backfires. As per the other girl? What a rotten example of a lifeform! Really, this is not the kind of shallow person you want in your life, for the very reasons you are posting here! I'm sorry there isn't anything more constructive I can say, I don't have the benefit of seeing them in person, but by your accounts I'd say you were the more competent socially of them all. Hang in there Matt. It's rough, but my recommendation is to just move on.
 

Halym

Banned
I have experienced that type of thing before.. There was this girl I was friends with.. We hung out a lot and talked a lot.. A few months passed that way.. One day, I heard that she was dating this guy named Ameen... I was pretty sad when I heard that.. Ameen is a person who I knew pretty well.. After that the girl stopped talking to me altogether.... I felt that I had to ask her for a reason.. So, I confronted her and asked why she was doing that to me.. " I am not attracted to you at all. I don't want to be friends with a sore loser like you.." she said.. I was pretty surprised when she said that.. After that day, she completely cut me off from her life.. She wouldn't respond to me at all... It took time, but I moved on... Matt, in your case, there isn't much you could do to get her back.. You just have to move on like I did.. I am sorry I if I couldn't be of help to you... But I hope that you can move on..
 

MisterMatt

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I doubt it’s a matter of “relationship before friends” routine, not when she’s become a social butterfly otherwise. And she’s been with the guy for a year and a half now... plus dated him for a couple years before that. He sounds like a great guy and that’s good for her. I see her every day at work, and she’s not cold to me. In fact, if she’s distant at all it’s because I usually avoid her. She’s alluded to the fact that she enjoys getting texts (for example) to remind her that people care. She also periodically tries to initiate conversations with me, but she’s understandably frustrated since I’m now conditioned to assume I should keep my mouth shut and leave her alone. It seems she likely wants to be friends again, but just has never said words to that effect. She’s acknowledged that she didn’t mean to word things the way she did, and has offered, “I meant we shouldn’t bring up sensitive topics at work.” But I guess I’m hoping she’d say something more pointed, like what I’ve said to her: “your friendship is important and I miss it” or “I WANT you to talk to me again.”
I probably side too much on the cautionary approach and overly distance myself from others, especially when I feel they don’t want to be friends with me anymore. I make sure I don’t appear needy or clingy—even though I secretly am (what with having no friends, one person unfortunately becomes super important to me). I tend to workplace interactions professional but never personal with everyone... even when asked me how I am, I just focus on the job at hand and limit socializing. Even outside of work, I’m not very reciprocal in my communication, placing listening over dominating the conversations with tales of myself (ego problem there).
Because of my depression, poor ego and social shortcomings, I’m reluctant to talk to people, especially when I constantly remind myself “they want nothing to do with you.” The heart of the problem might be centered on a disease. We both suffered from depression, but now she doesn’t, and she doesn’t have the inclination to deal with this sad sack.
It’s clear she wants nothing romantic from me, but neither do I from her... I WISHED she’d put me in the “friend zone” so our genders aren’t a factor. I am married, by the way. My wife and her have met a couple times.
 

Ransfordrowe

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Not to be unpleasant about someone I dont know but the lady you described sounds quite selfish and complex.Some people treat friendships like something that can be picked up and put down when it suits them.

Work based friendships can be tricky I know from personal experience.If you do want to be friends with her then accepting the fact that the friendship has changed to being mainly work based is important.It can still be a rewarding friendship if she puts into the relationship as much as you do or at least you gain alot from it.Avoiding her at work just makes your work place a unconfortable place for you to be.It sounds as if she does want to be friends with you at work.
 

Halym

Banned
Not to be unpleasant about someone I dont know but the lady you described sounds quite selfish and complex.Some people treat friendships like something that can be picked up and put down when it suits them.

Yeah.. The world is full of people like that.. :(
 

Deco

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I don't expect friendships to last much these days. Like I keep saying in many posts... we are living in very narcissistic and competitive times. Just look around and see how people changed from the 80's, 90's or even early 2000's. I lived in these 3 decades and I can tell you the difference. Regardless of being on any relationship.
We gotta have a strong mind and move on, and not care much about people who do this to us. I keep being polite and friendly to people, it's all can I do now.
 
You may be perceived as overly needy (that used to happen to me a lot). People treat you weird when they think you depend on them for social gratification - they have a position of leverage, and they aren't always sure what to do with it, for good or bad. Otherwise, she sounds pretty ambivalent in general. I agree with Deco, it's best not to expect that kind of friendship, because friendships are almost inherently tenuous these days. There's plenty of fish in the sea. You have to try and get into a position where you attract friends, not simply they attract you. Then it'll be much easier, not only to make new friends when or if you have to, but to maintain the friendship. At that point, they'll be the ones doing damage control - making sure you still like them.
 
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Deco

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You may be perceived as overly needy (that used to happen to me a lot). People treat you weird when they think you depend on them for social gratification - they have a position of leverage, and they aren't always sure what to do with it, for good or bad. Otherwise, she sounds pretty ambivalent in general. I agree with Deco, it's best not to expect that kind of friendship, because friendships are almost inherently tenuous these days. There's plenty of fish in the sea. You have to try and get into a position where you attract friends, not simply they attract you. Then it'll be much easier, not only to make new friends when or if you have to, but to maintain the friendship. At that point, they'll be the ones doing damage control - making sure you still like them.
Yeah, I forgot that sometimes we can be seen as needy. Not everyone has the same view on how much time it is normal to hang out or to rely on others for support. I had friends getting mad at me because I wouldn't stay in parties until 5 or 6 am. Why? Just to have a hangover and see tons of drunk people talking ononsense? I was when I stopped drinking a lot and partying so much that I started losing friends. The other mistake I may have made was to be too supportive and nice to others.
 
Yeah, I forgot that sometimes we can be seen as needy. Not everyone has the same view on how much time it is normal to hang out or to rely on others for support. I had friends getting mad at me because I wouldn't stay in parties until 5 or 6 am. Why? Just to have a hangover and see tons of drunk people talking ononsense? I was when I stopped drinking a lot and partying so much that I started losing friends. The other mistake I may have made was to be too supportive and nice to others.


Same. I was overly nice. Women didn't like it (and it took me a while to get that. I was under some bizarre illusion that they were all out looking for a nice guy). And friends would walk all over me if they wanted to. I'd do people favours, lend money, you name it. Then next thing I'd be the last person invited to a gathering, the last person consulted on anything important, go figure. I think I only ended up resenting myself more than winning good friends. At the same time, I've had to be careful not to go in the complete opposite direction and hate people. Nowadays I try to keep a balance. My general rule is to be prepared to say no and hear no, to respect yourself as well as others - and ultimately know when to move on when you need to.
 

Halym

Banned
Same. I was overly nice. Women didn't like it (and it took me a while to get that. I was under some bizarre illusion that they were all out looking for a nice guy). And friends would walk all over me if they wanted to. I'd do people favours, lend money, you name it. Then next thing I'd be the last person invited to a gathering, the last person consulted on anything important, go figure. I think I only ended up resenting myself more than winning good friends. At the same time, I've had to be careful not to go in the complete opposite direction and hate people. Nowadays I try to keep a balance. My general rule is to be prepared to say no and hear no, to respect yourself as well as others - and ultimately know when to move on when you need to.

I also thought that everyone needed a nice guy, but I was proven wrong and was pretty shocked..
 
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