Hyper-Hydro
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Over the past 10 years I have been reading in miscellaneous forae on both sides of the atlantic, german and English or north American, and when I come back to them after a while, I´m always surprised to see the exact same questions being asked, and the same discussions taking place, as 10 years ago. It´s as if there has been no development at all in an entire decade, other than improved efficiency of adversiment for treating symptoms. All the while greedy surgeons, and medical industry have been sitting on the fence, flapping their wings or hovering over us, taking advantage of our predicaments.
There are basically 5 ways of treating excessive sweating: 1) Anti-cholinergics taken orally or as topicals, to block information from your central nervous system to your sweat glads. 2) Surgery severing or “clamping”external ganglia of the central nervous system to block information to the sweat glands. 3) Injection of Botox to block out information from the central nervous system to the sweat glands. 4) Iontophoresis/Topical treatment with aluminium or iron ions to numb or kill the sweat glands in the skin. 5) Investigating in your life style, and rearranging your diet and exercise habits.
The anti-cholinergics, surgeons and iontophoresis/metal ions were all here 10 years ago. Botox is relatively new. They all share the same goal: To block information from your central nervous system to your sweat glands, assuming the information from your central nervous system is incorrect and resulting in excess sweat. But what if instead we assume your central nervous system is working fine, and the sweating therefore has a natural cause? To sweat is important in order to regulate your body temperature, rid the body of chemical waste that don´t pass though urine or feces, and also to distribute pheromones and other scent which communicates the state of our body to other persons or animals. Precisely why anxiety makes people sweat is very puzzling, because it renders sensitive information about us available to potential enemies, e.g. dogs can smell if people are afraid. Controlling sweat in situations like that would make more sense so why the exact opposite is happening is hard to understand. Blocking sweat entirely is very dangerous in hot weather, when over dressing or exerting yourself.
My opinion of the remedies:
1) anti-cholinegics e.g. Avert (Glycopyrrolate) taken orally not only act on the external sweat glands or ganglia, but influence your entire central nervous system, slowing down or blocking information from all parts of your body. Seems to me instead of fixing the punctured tyre, you´re puncturing the other 3 also and continue driving…. Applying anti-cholinergics externally e.g. Glycopyrrolate in topicals could be a different matter, but unfortunately it seems very likely that anti-cholinergics can enter our metabolism through our skin. (E.g. take nicotine plasters. Anti-cholinergics and e.g. Nicotine are all alkaloids, and if Nicotine can enter via the skin, then why shouldn´t any other alkaloid be able to?)
2) Surgery is just plain stupid if you ask me. Why do you think over hundreds of thousands of years those ganglions developed in our body ? Do you believe it´s something a surgeon can comprehend over 3-4 years of training? Severing them by this or other technology is daft, and if surgeons ever helped anybody this way, it would be a stroke of luck in my opinion.
3) Botox: Inject a potentially deadly toxin in your body voluntary? Right! There are no long term studies of what consequences poisoning yourself over years may have on the rest of your body. It´s a very good quick fix for the botox therapists bank accounts though, and also very much in. I´m positive towards botox in use by trained surgeons e.g. during operations for life threatening predicaments, but regular pumping of botox into the skin doesn´t sound very smart if you ask me, even if you can afford it. A fact is however that it seems to work only locally, and the few users of botox I have spoken to all seem happy with it, besides from having to endure pain and part with hard earned money.
4) the metal ions (Aluminium Chlorhydrate topicals or iontophoresis) are the only symptom treaters I can live with, since they are only applied externally, do not enter your metabolism and are eventually shed by your skin, but my what an ordeal they represent and aren´t we all so fed up with them? Unfortunately metal ions don´t seem to help out all forms of excessive sweating.
Only the fifth treatment alternative can be considered a true cure in my eyes, the other four are merely treating symptoms, so why is it there has been so little development in that field, in order to disclose why people do have these excessive sweat problems? Could it be that if we are cured noone can make any more money off us?
One reason that we seem to have progressed nowhere could be that we have been chasing a phantom. I don´t believe there is something as a Hyper-Hidrosis diagnose. We all sweat too much from different reasons. It´s interesting to see that almost all entries in these forums come from people in the socalled developed world, so it would seem we´re suffering from a luxury problem.
I don´t have any precise evidence as to why so many people in the western world sweat so much, and I´m nowhere near an overview of all causes, but I know that an increasingly large proportion of the population are overweight, and type 2 diabetes is today also seen in children and young people, whereas it used to be seen primarily in the elderly. Type 2 diabetes or border cases are very hard to spot, and thus hundreds of thousands of people could be living with this without having a clue about it. Causes of cold sweat has been shown to be related to diabetes, or a family history of diabetes. Losing weight and changing the diet as well as planning regular exercise can actually cure people from diabetes: http://ndep.nih.gov/campaigns/SmallSteps/gameplan/gp_booklet.htm
In my opinion, other types of excessive sweating could also caused be by our metabolism being out of balance. It could be very interesting to hear more about this, if anyone else have something about causes of excessive sweating or input to the fifth alternative of treating excessive sweating please feel very welcome to engage in a discussion here, so we might begin moving ahead instead of arguing about which is the “best” way of treating symptoms.
There are basically 5 ways of treating excessive sweating: 1) Anti-cholinergics taken orally or as topicals, to block information from your central nervous system to your sweat glads. 2) Surgery severing or “clamping”external ganglia of the central nervous system to block information to the sweat glands. 3) Injection of Botox to block out information from the central nervous system to the sweat glands. 4) Iontophoresis/Topical treatment with aluminium or iron ions to numb or kill the sweat glands in the skin. 5) Investigating in your life style, and rearranging your diet and exercise habits.
The anti-cholinergics, surgeons and iontophoresis/metal ions were all here 10 years ago. Botox is relatively new. They all share the same goal: To block information from your central nervous system to your sweat glands, assuming the information from your central nervous system is incorrect and resulting in excess sweat. But what if instead we assume your central nervous system is working fine, and the sweating therefore has a natural cause? To sweat is important in order to regulate your body temperature, rid the body of chemical waste that don´t pass though urine or feces, and also to distribute pheromones and other scent which communicates the state of our body to other persons or animals. Precisely why anxiety makes people sweat is very puzzling, because it renders sensitive information about us available to potential enemies, e.g. dogs can smell if people are afraid. Controlling sweat in situations like that would make more sense so why the exact opposite is happening is hard to understand. Blocking sweat entirely is very dangerous in hot weather, when over dressing or exerting yourself.
My opinion of the remedies:
1) anti-cholinegics e.g. Avert (Glycopyrrolate) taken orally not only act on the external sweat glands or ganglia, but influence your entire central nervous system, slowing down or blocking information from all parts of your body. Seems to me instead of fixing the punctured tyre, you´re puncturing the other 3 also and continue driving…. Applying anti-cholinergics externally e.g. Glycopyrrolate in topicals could be a different matter, but unfortunately it seems very likely that anti-cholinergics can enter our metabolism through our skin. (E.g. take nicotine plasters. Anti-cholinergics and e.g. Nicotine are all alkaloids, and if Nicotine can enter via the skin, then why shouldn´t any other alkaloid be able to?)
2) Surgery is just plain stupid if you ask me. Why do you think over hundreds of thousands of years those ganglions developed in our body ? Do you believe it´s something a surgeon can comprehend over 3-4 years of training? Severing them by this or other technology is daft, and if surgeons ever helped anybody this way, it would be a stroke of luck in my opinion.
3) Botox: Inject a potentially deadly toxin in your body voluntary? Right! There are no long term studies of what consequences poisoning yourself over years may have on the rest of your body. It´s a very good quick fix for the botox therapists bank accounts though, and also very much in. I´m positive towards botox in use by trained surgeons e.g. during operations for life threatening predicaments, but regular pumping of botox into the skin doesn´t sound very smart if you ask me, even if you can afford it. A fact is however that it seems to work only locally, and the few users of botox I have spoken to all seem happy with it, besides from having to endure pain and part with hard earned money.
4) the metal ions (Aluminium Chlorhydrate topicals or iontophoresis) are the only symptom treaters I can live with, since they are only applied externally, do not enter your metabolism and are eventually shed by your skin, but my what an ordeal they represent and aren´t we all so fed up with them? Unfortunately metal ions don´t seem to help out all forms of excessive sweating.
Only the fifth treatment alternative can be considered a true cure in my eyes, the other four are merely treating symptoms, so why is it there has been so little development in that field, in order to disclose why people do have these excessive sweat problems? Could it be that if we are cured noone can make any more money off us?
One reason that we seem to have progressed nowhere could be that we have been chasing a phantom. I don´t believe there is something as a Hyper-Hidrosis diagnose. We all sweat too much from different reasons. It´s interesting to see that almost all entries in these forums come from people in the socalled developed world, so it would seem we´re suffering from a luxury problem.
I don´t have any precise evidence as to why so many people in the western world sweat so much, and I´m nowhere near an overview of all causes, but I know that an increasingly large proportion of the population are overweight, and type 2 diabetes is today also seen in children and young people, whereas it used to be seen primarily in the elderly. Type 2 diabetes or border cases are very hard to spot, and thus hundreds of thousands of people could be living with this without having a clue about it. Causes of cold sweat has been shown to be related to diabetes, or a family history of diabetes. Losing weight and changing the diet as well as planning regular exercise can actually cure people from diabetes: http://ndep.nih.gov/campaigns/SmallSteps/gameplan/gp_booklet.htm
In my opinion, other types of excessive sweating could also caused be by our metabolism being out of balance. It could be very interesting to hear more about this, if anyone else have something about causes of excessive sweating or input to the fifth alternative of treating excessive sweating please feel very welcome to engage in a discussion here, so we might begin moving ahead instead of arguing about which is the “best” way of treating symptoms.
