You are right Jess, telling them to kill themsleves is NOT the answer, but telling him NOT to didn't seem to be working either, WRONG, HE'S MAKING PROGRESS
and I was just trying to defend jthom's approach by saying he was trying some reverse pyscology to try to turn Crash around. NO HE WASN'T, TELLING SOMEONE TO COMMIT SUICIDE IS NOT REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY, IT'S CRUEL
By "revese psychology", I KNOW WHAT REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY IS. IN MY OPINION, IT'S ALWAYS A GOOD RULE OF THUMB TO GO STRAIGHT TO THE POINT, RATHER THAN PLAYING WITH PEOPLE'S MINDS BY BEATING AROUND THE BUSH USING REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY AND EXPECTING PEOPLE TO JUST, GET IT. IT'S APPLICABLE IN CERTAIN DEGREES, BUT TELLING SOMEONE TO KILL THEMSEVLES IS NOT SOUND ADVICE. BECAUSE WOULDN'T THAT BE BAD IF YOU TRIED "REVERSE PSYCHOLOGY" AND TOLD SOMEONE THAT THEY SHOULD JUST SHUT UP AND KILL THEMSELVES, AND THEY ACTUALLY GOT SO UPSET BY THAT, THAT THEY JUST WENT AHEAD AND DID IT FEARING THAT NO ONE CARED? HM, NOT VERY EFFECTIVE IN MY VIEW.
I mean giving in to Crash & telling him to go ahead and finish it, by making him think "Wow, nobody cares, it's up to MEto care about myself and snap out of this disorder that's taken control, it's up to ME to crawl back up out of the tunnel. I'm trying to give jthom the benefit of the doubt, and I'm hoping this was his plan.... to get Crash to finallly do something about his problems on HIS OWN... even if it took "anger" to get it done.
UH, YEAH, BUT THERE ARE A FEW OTHER POSTS FROM THIS JTHOMPSON02 TELLING CRASH TO TAKE HIS OWN LIFE. MY GUESS? NOT THE BEST PLAN OF ACTION TO HELP SOMEONE. WHAT NEEDS TO HAPPEN IS IGNORE THIS PERSON IN NEED UNTIL THEY'RE WILLING TO CHANGE, NOT TELL THEM TO KILL THEMSELVES. YOU HAVE TO STOP HEARING THEIR WHINING UNTIL THEY'RE READY TO CHANGE. MY POINT, IF IT ISN'T EVIDENTLY CLEAR, THERE ARE OTHER CONSTRUCTIVE WAYS TO HANDLE THESE TYPES OF SITUATIONS WITHOUT TELLING SOMEONE TO KILL THEMSELVES, TRUST ME.
I too tried to help someone like Crash once, it was a 24 hour 7 day a week commitment, this person thought I was the crutch they needed to do anything and they were totally incapable of taking any steps independently and I went away for a few days and when I was able to get back on line, I found out this person would never be getting on line again, the person killed themself.
I'M SORRY TO HEAR THAT. THERE WAS NOTHING YOU COULD DO. BUT I'LL BET DOLLARS TO DONUTS THAT TELLING THAT PERSON TO KILL THEMSELVES, PROBABLY WOULDN'T HAVE HELPED.
It's a natural "high" when you are able to help someone, YES, IT IS VERY FULFILLING. and be that "life line" they need for existence when they are unwilling to move on their own, but don't plan on having any sort of life of your own, & plan fully on BEING THERE around the clock for crash if he won't move on his own. I DO NOT DEVOTE MY LIFE TO CRASH. IT'S OKAY, I KNOW WHAT I AM DOING. NO, I DO NOT CLAIM ANY RESPONSIBILITY FOR CRASH, HE'S A GROWN BOY, AND I AM ONLY TRYING TO LEND SUPPORT. Because if he relapses or worse, it's going to be yourself you are going to need to be helping, encouaging and pushing back up out of the tunnel. NO, THANK YOU, I AM CONFIDENT IN WHAT I DO. BUT THANKS FOR THE WARNING
I won't ever let myself be in that sort of situation again, for obvious reasons... I wasn't even close to half way through my own tunnel when it all happened, and had to start back at the bottom once I got over the shock and blaming myself. I UNDERSTAND WHAT YOU'RE SAYING, AND I APPRECIATE LENDING YOUR EXPERIENCE WITH ME, BUT I'M OKAY, REALLY.
Be really careful Jess.... UH...OK.