Conversation for conversation's sake - Why I am basically still a young child

tooshytosay

Well-known member
The root of all my problems gets clearer as years go by - it's that I simply don't know how to have a conversation for conversation's sake.

And in this respect, I just feel like a little child. Young children, say around the age of 3 - don't have conversation for conversation' sake. Oh sure, you can still "talk" with them - for example if you ask them about specific topics. But they don't TRY to have conversation for conversation's sake the way adults do. They just don't "get" it, the idea of spending time simply talking to someone... for the sake of it. They'd rather go play with a toy or something, i.e. actually do something.

In fact, this relates to an interesting observation I made as I grew up. In kindergartens, and early primary (/elementary) school, you see most children playing out in the playground during free time. i.e., doing something. But as they get older, and by the time you get to high school, you see most of them talking during free time - somewhere along the line, they made that crucial "transition" in socializing behavior. Somewhere along the line... this idea of having a conversation for conversation's sake (a.k.a. "chatting" / "hanging out"/ smalltalk).. "clicked" for them in their brain.

The ultimate example I think is at a playground at a park - you see the kids playing and running around, while you see their parents sitting on the bench talking. Yes, they're both examples of humans socializing - but occuring in a very different manner.

My conclusion? Basically, I am still that kid in the kindergarten. You can talk to me about certain topics, ask me about certain things, and I can talk just fine. I can have a completely normal "interview" with you. But I CAN'T talk to you for the sake of it; for the sake of "socializing". I'm like that kid who either wants to talk about something particular, or actually do something. I just can't talk for the sake of talking...
 

unleashed

Well-known member
small talk is evil! 90% of what comes out of peoples mouths is utter nonsense. its a wise man who keeps quiet but as the majority of people are fools we are stuck listening to their endless babble. what i do is say something that i know will cause the babblers to do their thing and then i just sort of half listen...some people like the sound of their own voice and talk for the sake of talking..yesterday i got yelled at for not being spontaneous enough at the dinner table by someone who spends most of his time yelling his opinion or being yelled at by his wife. its not us that have the problem, we are just not stupid enough for them. :D it did upset me and made me cry and maybe in a way i am a child still, if being a grown-up means disrespecting others then i'll stay as i am.
 
small talk is evil! 90% of what comes out of peoples mouths is utter nonsense. its a wise man who keeps quiet but as the majority of people are fools we are stuck listening to their endless babble. what i do is say something that i know will cause the babblers to do their thing and then i just sort of half listen...some people like the sound of their own voice and talk for the sake of talking..yesterday i got yelled at for not being spontaneous enough at the dinner table by someone who spends most of his time yelling his opinion or being yelled at by his wife. its not us that have the problem, we are just not stupid enough for them. :D it did upset me and made me cry and maybe in a way i am a child still, if being a grown-up means disrespecting others then i'll stay as i am.

Well put, I agree, as for the last part about being a child still, at least you didn't have your therapist say something about you being a 13 year old in a 20 year old body.
 
It is small talk with strangers I don't get!? For example when you are at the counter paying for something in any shop.
If there is a silence of more than a few seconds it is obligatory that either you or the shop assistant MUST make a useless comment about the current weather!!:confused: And then, the other person is then obliged to make another useless comment agreeing with them!:rolleyes:
I put it down to just another forced game we have to play in civilization to be looked on as being "normal".
 

FountainandFairfax

in a VAN down by the RIVER
I have a few canned responses in my mental rolodex just in case people try to small-talk me. The problem is that you can only store so many for different scenarios.

Take today for instance, I was at a drive thru with my dog tonight and one of the girls starts asking me the usual questions about her. Age, breed, etc... She didn't throw me any curves so I was able to use my memorized responses and got by her okay, but then a second girl walked over and started talking to me about my dog too.

So now both girls are standing there, and this second girl is asking about my dog, but I'm giving her the exact same answers, word-for-word as the first girl, and the first girl is hearing me repeat these same memorized phrases verbatim. It wasn't so bad until I completely jammed-up and ran out of answers. I think I repeated: "Yeah, she's my buddy" three times in a row.

I must have sounded like a tape recorder. What a freak! Ha Ha Ha
 
I have a few canned responses in my mental rolodex just in case people try to small-talk me. The problem is that you can only store so many for different scenarios.

Take today for instance, I was at a drive thru with my dog tonight and one of the girls starts asking me the usual questions about her. Age, breed, etc... She didn't throw me any curves so I was able to use my memorized responses and got by her okay, but then a second girl walked over and started talking to me about my dog too.

So now both girls are standing there, and this second girl is asking about my dog, but I'm giving her the exact same answers, word-for-word as the first girl, and the first girl is hearing me repeat these same memorized phrases verbatim. It wasn't so bad until I completely jammed-up and ran out of answers. I think I repeated: "Yeah, she's my buddy" three times in a row.

I must have sounded like a tape recorder. What a freak! Ha Ha Ha


lmao! I've had that happen to me too!::eek:: It is sooooo reassuring to read that others have had the same problems. I was once totally stuck for something to say to an awkward question and i used the wrong memorised reply that was not really suited for that question!:eek:
 

FountainandFairfax

in a VAN down by the RIVER
lmao! I've had that happen to me too!::eek:: It is sooooo reassuring to read that others have had the same problems. I was once totally stuck for something to say to an awkward question and i used the wrong memorised reply that was not really suited for that question!:eek:

Solidarity sister! Ha Ha

Or how about when you actually have the presence of mind to say something that's off the page but sails completely over the person's head? What SP sufferer is equipped to deal with that level of awkwardness?

Ha Ha

This girl who was working a register was talking to me about how she had forgotten to ask a woman whether she wanted paper or plastic bags, and the woman got really pissed because she didn't ask her preference before she started bagging.

So in a moment of once a year inspiration, I say to her: "Ahh... the cardinal sin of grocery bagging."

This girl looked at me like I had just landed from the moon. Ha Ha Ha

But who is not familiar with that phrase?

Anyway, I wheeled my shopping cart out of there so fast that I left tire marks on the linoleum.
 

unleashed

Well-known member
well i did realise at some point that i was a scared kid trapped in an adults body but i started kind of ummm visiting my inner child in my head and telling her she was okay. i also let my imaginary older wiser self visit me in my head and tell me i'm okay. i might actually just be nuts though :D i think specific incidents freeze us and stop us growing and i think that when we recognise them and make peace with them (stop blaming ourselves..it wasnt your fault you were scared..you were a child!) we can move on and grow again. validate your feelings, it's okay to feel whatever you feel...if you had a constant nagging pain in your foor/hand/little finger you would still feel the pain regardless of whether a doctor could diagnose the cause or whether your family thought it was important or not. can we all just go live on a commune and finger-paint til we feel better please? :D
 
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