Avert/Secure/Robinul Experience - this could finally be it!!

Update on the Avert/Secure experiment

Well, much to my relief the medication is still working well. I've tried some things with mixed results. I've found that the 2mg of the Avert pill works ok by itself without the wipes, but I still sweat from my face/forehead. The secure wipes do not work well for me alone. The sweating is reduced, but it is still there and noticeable.

I've been taking only 2mg of avert along with the wipes, and it has been working really well. I tried 4mg of the avert without the wipes and my dry mouth was much worse.

Ive settled on one 2mg Avert pill in the morning and one secure wipe that I run along my hairline, forehead, and neck. Yesterday I was the godfather in a baptism and I was really nervous about standing up in front of a full church. Normally I would have been dripping - soaked - raining from my face. Since I was so nervous I went ahead and used two secure pads along with the 2mg pill. I was bone dry.

After the baptism I went to the outdoor after party wearing a suit and tie in 85 degree heat and I only had minor sweating. I should have been sweating - everyone else was sweating too. It was normal, which is exactly what I think we are all after.

Today I used only one secure wipe, no pill. I had no interest in any dry mouth today as I was hung over from the party yesterday. The single secure wipe was not really very effective. I was sweating again - but not dripping like I used to.

So, I think I'm settling on my original plan, which is one 3% secure wipe and one 2mg Avert pill in the morning. On stressful days Ill use an extra wipe. 4mg of Avert produces more dry mouth than I want to deal with, so I'll pay the extra $$ for the wipes.

Also, as a note to contact lens wearers, well, put in your lenses BEFORE you handle the Secure wipes. I got contact lenses again a few days ago after a 5 year break from them. If you put your fingers on your secure wipes and then put in your contacts you will be sorry. I used the wipes, rinsed my hands, and then put in my lenses. It was painful and it mildly dilated my pupils. Not fun.

As a new secure wipe user i have a few questions :?

with the aluminium chloride solutions you generally apply at night when you are not sweating as much, then hope that it works for you the next day. With the secure wipes, do they start working immediatly? (i have noticed that most of you apply in the morning, to help that day), and how long do they work for?

Also do you need to wash the stuff off?

Sorry for so many questions!! :roll:

I take Robinul 2mg twice a day, and been doing that for the last 2 years, and never felt better: 99.9% dry all the time. I main problem was Palmar HH, but this thing even worked on my other parts of my body; like my feet 80% dryer than before. A little dry mouth but highly tolerable; you take a sip of water (with lemon better) and everything is normal.
Good luck to everyone!
I think Avert is the same as Robinul.

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Avert is the same as Robinul--just the Canadian brand name.

Whatever the brand name, it works well for me too--occasional dry mouth, but it's not that bad.

Hiya,

I am really pleased that Robinul is working well for you and very happy that it still works after 2 years . Maybe there is hope for me afterall!

cadmonkey said:

As a new secure wipe user i have a few questions :?

with the aluminium chloride solutions you generally apply at night when you are not sweating as much, then hope that it works for you the next day. With the secure wipes, do they start working immediatly? (i have noticed that most of you apply in the morning, to help that day), and how long do they work for?

Also do you need to wash the stuff off?

Sorry for so many questions!! :roll:

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The wipes seem to work faster than the pills, but I still try to use them at least a half hour before I leave the house. The effects seem to last all day for me. At least 10-12 hours. Sometimes if I am going out at night Ill use another pad for a "booster" if I know I'll be really late.

You arent supposed to wash it off, in fact the directions say not to wash it off, swim, etc for at least 4 hours after applying.

Avert's a godsend. I have low tolerance for it so I usually break the 2 mg in half and take 1/2 of it. I would say it has kept me 90% dry, even in hot, humid weather. My throat just itches from lack of moisture.

You guys have scared me with the high shipping costs of Avert/Robinul to Europe! I'm moving to Germany in a couple of weeks and stocked up yesterday (2mg Avert x 100). The folks at the physical Pharmacy.ca store are pretty nice and friendly. Visit if you ever get a chance to see Toronto. Except it's in a slightly shady neighbourhood...

I wish I could order a bunch and bring it to Europe to share with you folks but that would probably be considered trafficking!

OH MY GOSH! I've never heard of this stuff before!! It's a pill? and a wipe? that's incredible! I'm one of those people who has tried everything except botox and surgery, with absolutely no luck. Did you guys try other solutions before this? was this a last resort? Do I need a prescription? I'm so encouraged!

Hi Amy!

The pills being discussed are Avert in Canada, Robinul in the U.S. The wipes (in Canada, anyway) are called Secure. The med in each case is glyccopyrrolate, and it's worked wonders for me and many others.

In Canada it's OTC, but as far as I know you can only get it through pharmacy.ca Go on to their website for more information.

So it seems that all orally taken medication causes dry mouth - is it also the case with Secure Wipes?

I already suffer from dry mouth (not from any medication, it's just something else I have to put up with along with severe facial hyperhidrosis)

What are the experiences with dry mouth among those of you who have used the wipes without the tablets?

Hi,

I find that 2mg of Avert gives me dry mouth which only bothers me if i have to speak quite alot (eg in a meeting etc), i find regular sips of water helpful. I have found that the effects of just 1 2mg pill affect me for about 2 days!

I do not get any dry mouth with the pads (3mg)

I hope this helps.

Since I've posted earlier, you know I've had great success with Avert, which I've been on for over a year.

But along with HH being weirdly individual, my reaction to the pills varies. I take the same dose each day (or at least if it's warm and/or I'm active). Yet some days I have NO dry mouth reaction, and some days it's really annoying.

It's never so annoying that I'd return to pouring sweat from head and face, though. Just wondered if others have this variety of responses.

Weird ailment, weird!

Hi guys,

Yes i used to use probanthane in my younger years, before i had ETS. It was effective for only a short amount of time (pills did not do anything after about 9 months), plus i suffered badly from one of their side effects - i had difficulty 'passing water'. Also they seemed to stop me sweating completely, so when i got hot i would start to feel ill and go as red as a tomato!

I have only just started using the Avert pills and wipes. I find that the wipes are not very effective, as after ETS my problem is general all over sweating which cannot be targeted with a wipe. I only use a pill (one 2mg) when i konw that i am gonna be in a 'sweaty situation'. The good thing i have found with this dose is that it does not stop me sweating completely - it just reduces it to what i would guess a normal person has ie i can be in a meeting etc and not sweat, but if i run on the running machine at the gym i sweat, but not enough to soak my t shirt.

I have found that the performance i get from the tablets seems pretty consistent, however they rely on having an empty stomach - so i can vary the degree of performance of the tablet by how soon after eating i take it

Took my first Robinul tonight, will give updates on what I experience.

The original post is similar to my experience. Most of the roll on stuff does not react well with my skin. I use avert and have secure wipes on standby for special occasions (as they are too expensive for me to use every day).

Happy with Avert...just hope they keep their costs down.

After reading all the positive reviews, I think I am going to try to get a prescription for Robinul. Does anyone know how much it costs in the US and if it is covered by insurance? Also, is it sold in generic form under glycopyrrolate?

hyp-hi said:

After reading all the positive reviews, I think I am going to try to get a prescription for Robinul. Does anyone know how much it costs in the US and if it is covered by insurance? Also, is it sold in generic form under glycopyrrolate?

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My insurance did not cover it, and its expensive. You should still try it out though, it may work for you.

I'm almost done with my bottle, don't think I will be getting more. I have pretty severe hyperhidrosis, and the Robinul seemed to have a very small effect. I'm disappointed, to say the least.

RoadieJr78 said:

hyp-hi said:

After reading all the positive reviews, I think I am going to try to get a prescription for Robinul. Does anyone know how much it costs in the US and if it is covered by insurance? Also, is it sold in generic form under glycopyrrolate?

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My insurance did not cover it, and its expensive. You should still try it out though, it may work for you.

I'm almost done with my bottle, don't think I will be getting more. I have pretty severe hyperhidrosis, and the Robinul seemed to have a very small effect. I'm disappointed, to say the least.

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Any idea how much "expensive" is? $50 for a 30-day supply? $100? $200?

I've got an appointment next week with a dermatologist for a consult, and I"ll be looking either to leave with prescription for Robinul or some idea about prices for botox for axillary hyperhidrosis. I just can't take it anymore.

I just got a prescription for it. They gave me the generic brand of Rubinol (glycopyrrolate). With health insurance it was only $7 for 20 1 mg pills. I have been trying it out the past couple days. So far it seems to be helping. I still have to keep trying it to see how much of a dose works best. I'll post my results later.

I'm back

I haven't been on the forum for a while, but I was the original poster on this thread. I am sort of amazed its still up top after so long.

Anyway, I thought I would drop in and update my experience. My trip to Cancun Mexico was great. It was really hot and I kept up my regular regimen of 2mg of Avert and 1 3% secure wipe for every day. I took a "booster" 2mg late at night a couple of times before heading to the clubs, and I am glad I did, because it felt like a thousand degrees in some of those places. Truly a nightmare scenario back in the day.

I only had profuse sweating one day - it was the hottest day, and I chose to just use the wipes because we had been out drinking the night before. I was already dehydrated and figured the pills were a bad idea. Predictably when it got really hot and we were exploring the ruins I got soaked.

Other than that one day it was great all week. Even that day I cleaned up for a nice outdoor dinner and took 2mg and was fine. (of course took it 2 hours before dinner)

That was two months ago. I rarely use the wipes anymore. I use 4mg of the Avert in the morning usually, and I'm good all day. I don;t notice the dry mouth that much anymore. I might just be used to it.

I do use the wipes in hurryup or extreme situations. The pills are not fast acting, and are seriously affected by when I ate last or intend to eat. Without a wide berth around meals they simply do not work. So I use the wipes as an extra and for backup.

The best part about this whole experience has been that I dont use these every day anymore. I am much more relaxed about my sweating, and I feel like its under control. I dont sweat sitting at my desk anymore, even if I dont take the medication. There are many situations where I used to drip and be nervous and that just doesnt happen nearly as much anymore.

So, I usually use the meds only if I am going on a sales call or going into a social situation. (Not work or everyday stuff, unless its really hot out)

Anyway, thats my update, and my endorsement for Avert/Secure/Robinul.