Use of a list

OCDavid

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Someone I know with severe OCD has made up a list which is supposed to help his OCD. He has checking compulsions and has difficulty convincing himself that he has done things. The list was made so he could tick off what he done (like taking medication) and that seeing the ticks would help him know what he had done and reduce time spent on OCD.

This person has a tendency to unintentionally exaggerate the success of his own strategies, so I don't know that the list cut down the time much in the first place. Even if it did, my view as someone who has OCD is that the list could never help him break his OCD. I see it as a crutch to lean on.

Despite having the list he often takes half an hour to convince himself he's done everything, even while looking at the list. So the list doesn't come close to making him well. If a person has great difficulty convincing themself they've done things their OCD is severe. My experience is that as long as he needs to use a list the OCD will remain severe. What he needs is to get rid of the list and be able to trust his own judgment that he's done things. Using odd methods to convince yourself will never help you overcome OCD.

Having a list becomes an obsession in itself, and reinforces the importance of the thoughts, which is something CBT teaches not to do.

This person has a tendency to reject expert opinion on OCD, as he says they don't have OCD and get their knowledge from books. I would like to hear the views of people with OCD on this issue, as that alone may be able to convince him the list is not helping.
 

Dead_on_Arrival

Well-known member
Someone I know with severe OCD has made up a list which is supposed to help his OCD. He has checking compulsions and has difficulty convincing himself that he has done things. The list was made so he could tick off what he done (like taking medication) and that seeing the ticks would help him know what he had done and reduce time spent on OCD.

This person has a tendency to unintentionally exaggerate the success of his own strategies, so I don't know that the list cut down the time much in the first place. Even if it did, my view as someone who has OCD is that the list could never help him break his OCD. I see it as a crutch to lean on.

Despite having the list he often takes half an hour to convince himself he's done everything, even while looking at the list. So the list doesn't come close to making him well. If a person has great difficulty convincing themself they've done things their OCD is severe. My experience is that as long as he needs to use a list the OCD will remain severe. What he needs is to get rid of the list and be able to trust his own judgment that he's done things. Using odd methods to convince yourself will never help you overcome OCD.

Having a list becomes an obsession in itself, and reinforces the importance of the thoughts, which is something CBT teaches not to do.

This person has a tendency to reject expert opinion on OCD, as he says they don't have OCD and get their knowledge from books. I would like to hear the views of people with OCD on this issue, as that alone may be able to convince him the list is not helping.

I have OCD and I used to make lists as part of my habitual behaviour. Lists are a confirmation of OCD and are the kind of things that we need to avoid. If there were specific things to do regarding checking I now only check once but affirm in my head that it has been done before I leave it. If I feel the need to go back I stop, take a breath and reaffirm in my head that there is no need. Mindfulness also works really well. My therapist gave me a cd of mindfulness exercises to use at home and they are great for clearing the mind and teach you to do little exercises wherever you are even if it's just for 20 seconds just to clear your mind. I also helped that my therapist is a recovered OCD patient herself.
 

MaxineRyder

Active member
It looks like this person is desperately trying to cope, with a huge dose of denial. Perhaps the list works somewhat, or perhaps they have decided to tell themselves that it works, when in fact it is just another symptom of their OCD.
Whilst its great that you have someone to share your struggles with, I would certainly take his advice with a huge pinch of salt.
Maxine xxx
 
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