You need to read this...!!!

LittleMissMuffet

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Taken from: http://chetday.com/vitaminBdeficiencies.html

or look-up 'Vitamin B complex' on google.

"SYMPTOMS OF VITAMIN B DEFICIENCY AND WHY VITAMIN PILLS ARE NOT ENOUGH" by Vic Shayne (Author of "Man Cannot Live on Vitamins Alone")

VITAMIN B COMPLEX DEFICIENCY:
MAJOR CAUSES

Vitamin B complex comprises a number of vitamins that exist as a family. They should not be taken individually. In this modern era, millions of people suffer from a deficiency of vitamin B for several reasons, chief among which are:

Stress: emotional, physical and spiritual


Processed foods in the diet: these are not real foods and so they tax the body


Refined sugar. The average person consumes at least 140 pounds of sugar a year which robs the body of its vitamin B stores


Drugs: both recreational and prescription drugs deplete vitamin B


Toxins: poisons in the environment and personal care products deplete vitamin B complex


Malnutrition. Most people are malnourished because they are not eating the right kinds of foods


Cooking. Most people do not eat enough real, raw foods, so vitamin B is killed or so depleted that people are not getting enough of it in the diet
DO YOU HAVE ANY OF THESE SYMPTOMS?

Once your body has been deprived of the vitamin B complex due to reasons stated above, it begins to show symptoms (signs) of altered, diminished or poor health. This is because the vitamin B complex (within foods, not vitamin pills) is responsible for such a wide variety of activities, including cellular differentiation, transmission of nerve electricity, health of nerve cells, heart pulse rate, muscular contraction, digestion, brain function, thought processes and energy production. Without adequate vitamin B complex from foods, you can experience one or more of any one of these symptoms:

mental problems
heart palpitations
heart arrythmias
fibrillation
indigestion
chronic fatigue
chronic exhaustion
paranoia, vague fears, fear that something dreadful is about to happen
nervousness
ADD (attention deficiency), inability to concentrate, irritability
feeling of uneasiness
thoughts of dying
easy agitation, frustration
inability to sleep (insomnia)
restlessness
tingling in hands
tingling fingers and toes
rashes
crying spells, inability to cope
soreness all over
and so much more.
There are more articles on this subject on http://www.healthscienceupdate.com.

CHRONIC VITAMIN B DEFICIENCY

Vitamin B deficiency can sneak up on you, because it doesn’t have to create serious health problems right away. In fact, medical researchers have discovered that very often there can be no detectable signs according to scientific instrumentation, that you are experiencing a deficiency. For example, “memory impairment due to vitamin B12 deficiency can precede blood symptoms of deficiency by years. Evidence that vitamin B12 deficiency accounts for some cognition deficits in older people comes from a study that revealed abnormal short-term memory in more than two-thirds of clients with pernicious anemia…The researchers recommend that a diagnosis of senile dementia should not be made, even in the absence of anemia, until vitamin B12 status is determined biochemically.” (Hamilton, p. 476) This means that it is possible that certain mental disorders can be directly attributable to vitamin B complex deficiency, and it is easier to first start replenishing stores of vitamin B complex than to begin treating difficult mental illnesses with drugs, therapy or psychological counseling.

When vitamin B deficiency becomes chronic (long-lasting), other problems can occur, including troubles with your adrenal system. The adrenal glands serve many purposes, but in relation to this topic, they are the back up system for making energy. When there is a chronic lack of vitamin B complex then the adrenal glands are called upon to produce quick energy by injecting certain hormones like adrenaline into your system so that you can cope with life. If this goes on for a long time, then the adrenal glands become impaired or worn out, leading to even more health problems.

WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP YOURSELF

There are a number of things you can do to prevent and overcome vitamin B complex deficiency:

1. Stop taking vitamin pills and switch over to NutriPlex Whole Food Formulas products. The three most recommended to support you are: BFood Complex, AdrenaPlex and SuperGreens PhytoFood. These products are made only of foods and not parts of foods or isolated vitamins. They won’t add to your problems the way vitamin pills can, and they are not toxic the way vitamin pills can be.

2. Stop eating refined sugar. Click here to read all about refined sugar and its bad effects from researcher Nancy Appleton, PhD.

3. Stop eating artificial ingredients. Read all labels on your foods and if there are names of chemicals, don’t eat them. (Click here to see the author’s book, Illness Isn’t Caused by a Drug Deficiency. Switch to organic foods.

4. Reduce stress through a regular exercise program, meditation, counseling and/or hobbies

5. Stop drinking coffee; switch to organic decaffeinated coffee or organic green tea

6. Eat more vitamin B-containing foods — oats, barley, wheat bran, avocado, salmon, Brazil nuts and others.

7. Be patient. It took a while to create a vitamin B deficiency, so it takes a while to reverse the problem; with severe cases it can take a year or so, with milder cases it can take just a few days.


8. If you have a friend or relative with a mental or emotional disorder, think of the possibility of a vitamin B complex deficiency and then make suggestions for adjustments in their diet and take appropriate whole food formulas.

9. Always coordinate all of your health and treatment plans with all of your practitioners.

10. Avoid toxins in your life. This is a serious issue that causes more health problems than people commonly realize. (See the author’s book, Evil Genius in the Garden of Eden — how toxins make us sick and corporations profit from our illness).

Sources:
Journal of the American Medical Association (JAMA); “Vitamins for Chronic Disease Prevention in Adults,” Clinical Applications, Robert H. Fletcher, MD,MSc; Kathleen M. Fairfield, MD,DrPH

JAMA. 2002;287:3127-3129.

Shayne, PhD, Vic, Man Cannot Live on Vitamins Alone, 2004

Shayne, PhD, Vic, Illness Isn’t Caused by a Drug Deficiency!, 2001

Hamilton, et.al, Nutrition Concepts & Controversies, 5th Ed., West Publishing, St. Paul, 1991

Stryer, PhD. Lubert, Biochemistry, 2nd Ed., Stanford University, WH Freeman & Co., San Francisco, 1981

Natural Health Science Update articles

About the Author
Dr. Vic Shayne is a doctor-consultant and food science researcher and author whose website is www.nutritionresearchcenter.org. ©2005 Dr. Vic Shayne. This article may not be used in conjunction with the promotion or sale of any product unless authorized in writing by the author.


Here is the beginning of this article, which talks about taking vitamin pills vs vitamins in the form of foods....

Before delving into the problems of vitamin B complex deficiency and its symptoms, it is first important to understand the difference between vitamins that are in pill form versus vitamins that are contained within nature’s foods. There is a world of difference — a difference between sickness and health. Vitamins just do not work like foods, and foods are what our bodies were designed to use for healing, prevention and energy. There is no substitute, and no matter how you look at it, vitamin pills are an invention of scientists, so they are prone to cause side effects, be incomplete and lack what we need to overcome our health problems.

Vitamins have been sold and marketed as the “magic bullet” for all health problems, yet food science researchers are bringing out the truth about vitamins, minerals, multivitamins and antioxidants— and it’s not an easy pill to swallow. The problem is that vitamins, when not still contained in their original food (oranges, bananas, spinach, broccoli, etc.) are merely chemicals. Our bodies do not recognize vitamins as nutrients, because they don’t work the same way as whole foods for these simple reasons:

Foods contain not just vitamins, but the co-workers (synergists) and helper nutrients that allow vitamins to work


Foods are never found in high potency, so you won’t suffer any toxic side effects that have been proven to exist with ALL vitamin pills. As one expert stated, “Foods never deliver toxic doses [of vitamins]. (Hamilton, p.205)


Vitamins are just a small part of what our bodies require for health and healing. It is very often that it is the other food properties that help us while the vitamins are secondary.


Vitamin pills need other nutrients in order to work.
For these reasons, and more, vitamin pills, despite their use and overuse, are not turning people’s health around. They are lacking the properties of real nutrition which can only come from eating nature’s real, whole, raw foods. The only supplement that someone should take, therefore, is a whole food formula WITHOUT any isolated (singular vitamin). This is an important point, because most supplements called “whole food” are combinations of real foods and isolated vitamins. You have to carefully read the labels to see. Look for these words to identify vitamin chemicals on a label:

Pyridoxine
Thiamine or thiamin
Niacin or niacinamide
Palmitate
ascorbic acid
Riboflavin
Mixed tocopherols
B12
cyanocobalamin
more
Vitamins are not foods, so instead of vitamins and minerals on a label, you should be looking for the names of foods and herbs on the label. Don’t be fooled by high milligrams, high potency, standardization or any other such terms that just do not apply to real foods from nature.
 

Thelema

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Sounds like mumbo jumbo to me. "Stop taking vitamin pills and switch over to NutriPlex Whole Food Formulas products" all I needed to hear.
 

LittleMissMuffet

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Actually Thelema, I can't see what is 'mumbo jumbo' about this article, nor have you given any good reasons for thinking it 'mumbo jumbo'.
In fact, it's your reasoning (or is it lack of-?) that I struggle to make sense of.

So, seeing as you've dissed the article, would you care to at least explain your reasoning.....?
 

Thelema

Well-known member
LittleMissMuffet said:
Actually Thelema, I can't see what is 'mumbo jumbo' about this article, nor have you given any good reasons for thinking it 'mumbo jumbo'.
In fact, it's your reasoning (or is it lack of-?) that I struggle to make sense of.

So, seeing as you've dissed the article, would you care to at least explain your reasoning.....?

I'm sorry but I can't force myself to read all of this. Its trying to sell a product. Thats enough for me to glance right over it when I know better already.

Now everybody listen. There is no miracle anything. This is the same kind of stuff they sell you on tv with their stupid products that will do everything under the sun. Eat a good diet and you will get EVERYTHING you need. The only product you need to buy is a good multi vitamin to fill in anything you didn't get in your diet. Thats it! There is no one thing that will fix your mental/physical health. Everybody knows thats good for them so just do it already! Stop looking for a miracle and just do it! People take more pills than ever and people are less healthy and fatter than ever!
 

LittleMissMuffet

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I don't see how it is trying to sell a product more than any other pharmaceutical company tries to sell a vitamin -which, by the way, vitamins are also sold as 'miracle cures' for depression etc.

And from your first post, where you wrote:- '"Stop taking vitamins and switch over to Nutriplex..." all I needed to hear.' ...it sounds like you already try vitamins to help you. ...In which case: why would you take such issue with something so similar to vitamins? The only difference is that the author here is stating that foods are more beneficial than vitamins, and don't carry the potential side effects of toxicity that vitamin pills have.

Furthermore, sometimes vitamin supplements ARE the 'miracle cure' people are looking for!! ...And if you require proof of this: read at least 2 threads begun in the last couple of months that were started by at least 2 people who have discovered that taking supplements has a dramatic effect of improvement on their mood problems. And they would not be alone in this: since there are documented cases of people with some 'mental illness' being 'cured' upon changing their diet and taking food supplements. ....So, why then are you cynical about something which for some people has worked?

The fact of the matter is that: how do you know something is ineffective unless you have tried or investigated the merit of such 'miracle cures'...? And, why dismiss them without having the actual knowledge whether such things work or not? -apart from the fact, that apparently for some people these 'miracle cures' are in fact miracles.

Or don't you think that it is possible to be hopeful and explore different potential cures, without putting all your eggs into one basket-?
A potential 'miracle' may not be your miracle, but why begin cynical and dismissive of something before you've even allowed your self the opportunity to see?

I don't see anything wrong with the above article at all. And a person needn't read it thinking that they need to buy 'Nutriplex....' -I took the information about eating healthier, with a lack of processed food, sugars and stimulants, as helpful in it self. And I'm glad to have found some information that linked mood disorders with diet, whilst giving information on how to (at least some extent) alleviate mood problems with a change in diet.
 

Thelema

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I know this is going to sound rude but...This isn't worth my time and energy. This is one page off the internet that is selling a product and therefore presents biased information.
 

LittleMissMuffet

Well-known member
I really do not see why a few of you seem to think that this article is selling a product -certainly no more than any other put across as a potential cure for anxiety.

I am not particularly interested in 'Nutriplex ...etc...' -it is the information about the effects of vitamin deficiency and inadequate diet that I find the most helpful. ....which is a big reason of why I find my self amazed that first Thelema, and now a few more of you, seem dismissive and cynical regarding the information in this article. ....At the very least, why not accept the general information as being useful, whilst rejecting the suggestion of using the product promoted-?

And, as for rejecting all that this article has to say on the basis that it is believed to be promoting a product -what of the fact that it DOES mention taking a particular product??? ...I do not see how this is such a big evil; and certainly no more than suggestions to take a particular antidepressant medication, or to pay loads of money to get CBT (which some studies show, the benefits of which can ware off with time).

....I mean: by what exact measure do you decide that THIS particular product is more fraudulent and ineffective than any of the other ones currently recommended and promoted to sufferers of mood disorders...?
How do you know that this NEW product is the fraudulent one and previous ones (like antidepressants or vitamin pills or even Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) are all legitimiate, effective products and methods for curing anxiety...? ....How do you know that these aren't all promoted so that doctors or pharmaceutical companies can make money or further some other hidden agenda...? Because, I tell you what: many people already suspect that the therapies currently available do have hidden agendas (eg: drug companies) or are otherwise less than perfect therapies.

-According to what rational basis do you make such a presumption about this particular form of cure-? -because it is a NEW one? Why indeed listen to anyhting anyone has to suggest for curing or alleviating anxiety, period. Because if all suggested methods for curing anxiety are to be rejected on the basis that some 'product' is recommended, then you can choose the safety of rejecting ALL of them.

ALL methods for curing anxiety offered by others are products -even a 'psychiatrist' is a product. -and most likely, a much more expensive, possibly even damaging, 'product' than 'Nutriplex Wholefood Formulas'....

Hell: I wasn't even particularly focussed on trying this in the first place: it was the rest of the provided information that I found most useful and that I am interested in following through on; certainly to begin with, before I've tried going further.

But hey: each to their own.
No need for you or anyone to have to believe in the value of the info contained in the article. ...And as far as I am concerned, there is no need for anyone to have to disbelieve it either.
Each person will preferably read it for themself and decide on their own behalf.
And my opinion is that there is nothing circumspect about the information I have read in it.
 

LittleMissMuffet

Well-known member
I really do not see why a few of you seem to think that this article is selling a product -certainly no more than any other put across as a potential cure for anxiety.

I am not particularly interested in 'Nutriplex ...etc...' -it is the information about the effects of vitamin deficiency and inadequate diet that I find the most helpful. ....which is a big reason of why I find my self amazed that first Thelema, and now a few more of you, seem dismissive and cynical regarding the information in this article. ....At the very least, why not accept the general information as being useful, whilst rejecting the suggestion of using the product promoted-?

And, as for rejecting all that this article has to say on the basis that it is believed to be promoting a product -what of the fact that it DOES mention taking a particular product??? ...I do not see how this is such a big evil; and certainly no more than suggestions to take a particular antidepressant medication, or to pay loads of money to get CBT (which some studies show, the benefits of which can ware off with time).

....I mean: by what exact measure do you decide that THIS particular product is more fraudulent and ineffective than any of the other ones currently recommended and promoted to sufferers of mood disorders...?
How do you know that this NEW product is the fraudulent one and previous ones (like antidepressants or vitamin pills or even Cognitive Behavioural Therapy) are all legitimiate, effective products and methods for curing anxiety...? ....How do you know that these aren't all promoted so that doctors or pharmaceutical companies can make money or further some other hidden agenda...? Because, I tell you what: many people already suspect that the therapies currently available do have hidden agendas (eg: drug companies) or are otherwise less than perfect therapies.

-According to what rational basis do you make such a presumption about this particular form of cure-? -because it is a NEW one? Why indeed listen to anyhting anyone has to suggest for curing or alleviating anxiety, period. Because if all suggested methods for curing anxiety are to be rejected on the basis that some 'product' is recommended, then you can choose the safety of rejecting ALL of them.

ALL methods for curing anxiety offered by others are products -even a 'psychiatrist' is a product. -and most likely, a much more expensive, possibly even damaging, 'product' than 'Nutriplex Wholefood Formulas'....

Hell: I wasn't even particularly focussed on trying the mentioned product in the first place: it was the rest of the provided information that I found most useful and that I am interested in following through on; certainly to begin with, before I've tried going further.

But hey: each to their own.
No need for you or anyone to have to believe in the value of the info contained in the article. ...And as far as I am concerned, there is no need for anyone to have to disbelieve it either.
Each person will preferably read it for themself and decide on their own behalf.
And my opinion is that there is nothing circumspect about the information I have read in it.
 

plainsofserenity

Well-known member
All that is said may be true - most seems reasonable to assume so. But it comes across as a late night info-mercial.
"our product can cure any and all of these ailments...any much, much more..."
Without adequate vitamin B complex from foods, you can experience one or more of any one of these symptoms:

mental problems
heart palpitations
heart arrythmias
fibrillation
indigestion
chronic fatigue
chronic exhaustion
paranoia, vague fears, fear that something dreadful is about to happen
nervousness
ADD (attention deficiency), inability to concentrate, irritability
feeling of uneasiness
thoughts of dying
easy agitation, frustration
inability to sleep (insomnia)
restlessness
tingling in hands
tingling fingers and toes
rashes
crying spells, inability to cope
soreness all over
and so much more.
There are more articles on this subject on http://www.healthscienceupdate.com.

And who can argue with eat less sugar, drink less coffee, don't ingest toxins and exercise more.
Number 1, though, does give me pause - "Stop taking the other guys product and switch to ours." It would seem that numbers 3 and 6 have this covered unless his purpose is to sell his product.

WHAT YOU CAN DO TO HELP YOURSELF

There are a number of things you can do to prevent and overcome vitamin B complex deficiency:

1. Stop taking vitamin pills and switch over to NutriPlex Whole Food Formulas products. The three most recommended to support you are: BFood Complex, AdrenaPlex and SuperGreens PhytoFood. These products are made only of foods and not parts of foods or isolated vitamins. They won’t add to your problems the way vitamin pills can, and they are not toxic the way vitamin pills can be.
2. Stop eating refined sugar. Click here to read all about refined sugar and its bad effects from researcher Nancy Appleton, PhD.
3. Stop eating artificial ingredients. Read all labels on your foods and if there are names of chemicals, don’t eat them.
4. Reduce stress through a regular exercise program, meditation, counseling and/or hobbies
5. Stop drinking coffee; switch to organic decaffeinated coffee or organic green tea
6. Eat more vitamin B-containing foods — oats, barley, wheat bran, avocado, salmon, Brazil nuts and others.
7. Be patient. It took a while to create a vitamin B deficiency, so it takes a while to reverse the problem; with severe cases it can take a year or so, with milder cases it can take just a few days.
8. If you have a friend or relative with a mental or emotional disorder, think of the possibility of a vitamin B complex deficiency and then make suggestions for adjustments in their diet and take appropriate whole food formulas.
9. Always coordinate all of your health and treatment plans with all of your practitioners.
10. Avoid toxins in your life. This is a serious issue that causes more health problems than people commonly realize. (See the author’s book, Evil Genius in the Garden of Eden — how toxins make us sick and corporations profit from our illness).
It seems that the author says we should be getting our Vitamin B through a health chose of food and a healthy lifestyle.
Vitamins are not foods, so instead of vitamins and minerals on a label, you should be looking for the names of foods and herbs on the label. Don’t be fooled by high milligrams, high potency, standardization or any other such terms that just do not apply to real foods from nature.
So why is he pushing his suppliment at all?
That is what puts everything he says in question - the fact that he appears to have a secondary (and likely it's his primary) objective.
 

LittleMissMuffet

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First of all, I've already stated that irrespective of the recommended product, the rest of what this article has to say about what to eat and also the inadequacy of vitamin pills, is all reasonable and useful information.
So already this is important information -even if it is obvious enough when one takes the time to think about it ....don't eat processed food, stay off of stimulants, etc...

And this was the main value that I saw in this article. This, as well as the connection established between some mentally ill people and vitamin deficiencies -and I've seen this connection stated elsewhere. This is especially why I found this article worthwhile posting, and I underlined the important parts so that people would consider how diet can play a part in their mood problems.

As for your questioning as to why the author criticises the benefits of vitamin pills -that he states that they can be both inadequate by comparison to foods in delivering much benefit, as well as potentially toxic- and yet promotes taking what he calls 'whole food formulas' instead of simply the foods already ...well, if what he says about the problems with vitamin pills is correct, then given the option of taking vitamin pills or taking a 'whole food' supplement -I would much rather choose the latter.

And obviously the reason why people do want supplements (pills or 'whole foods') is because of a difficulty getting enough of a certain type of nutrient from their diet already. ...Without being an expert about this, perhaps taking "whole foods" is the medium between taking pills and eating foods. Frankly, I would consult and nutrition expert in order to understand and make an informed opinion -but I wouldn't instantly dismiss what is said either.

Again: I don't see how simply because a particular product is recommended that this immediately renders ANY of the information given invalid. ....Frankly, what is wrong with having a theory (one of many that people have) about what is needed to cure an ailment and having also come-up with an alternative therapy or product in accordance with this...?
I don't see how this is any more dubious than people recommending antidepressants or vitamin pills or, for that matter, psychiatric councelling, even.

And, most of all, despite whatever reservations you and others may have about the product promoted here -what of the other information about diet effecting mood; about how not only here, but elsewhere also, taking a vitamin supplement has cured people instead of other therapies such as psychotherapy and even taking antidepressants; and what of the possibly very accurate information about the side-effects of taking vitamin pills as well as the inadequacies of these ....is all this information to be dismissed as invalid simply because the author also promotes a product-? I think that to be a shame, since if anything, it is the rest of the information that, upon coming across it, I am glad to know about.

And the fact of the matter is that this is what a few people so far have done: made no mention (till now) of any other messages contained within this article other than that it promotes a product! ....what a shame, I think, to ignore any of a handful of potentially helpful details of information because of doubt over one part. And if anything, that is why I find peoples' responses so far to be of a cynical and narrowminded nature.
I would rather at least consider the possibility of the information given in the afforementioned article to be valid, than to instantly dismiss it all, based on a doubt about the author's trying to sell me something.
 

cLavain

Well-known member
Actually, from a purely logical point of view, motives and hidden intentions do not make a statement either true or false. It's irrelevant to the argument.

On the other hand, if someone has a vested interest, then it's very important to closely examine what they are saying.

As already pointed out, much of what Vic Shayne says about eating unprocessed foods seems reasonable enough. I haven't really studied his site, but it seems to me that what he fails to do is to make it likely that his product is better than any other product (or indeed of any use at all!). I don't see him provide any links to non-biased scientific tests of his product.

Thus: Eat healthier + reduce stress (I wish) and forget about NutriPlex! :)
 

LittleMissMuffet

Well-known member
Screwdriver:-
I'm not quite sure why my doctor didn't mention diet and vitamin deficiencies to me before -but one thing I do know is that I want to investigate different ways that my anxiety issues can be tackled....

As for really testing whether vitamin b is good... a friend of mine suggested that some of us here try out such remedies and post back and state how it is going for us. ...I'm willing to. First I want to ask my psychiatrist and also a nutritionist about such things (especially on reading of how some consider vitamin pills to be toxic).

And, I think that forgetting about 'Nutriplex' is a good idea for the moment (until such a time as I get better information about such things).

The more important idea is the connection that some have seen between vitamin deficiencies and mood problems.

There are a few threads that people have started in this forum about having tried certain supplements and these significantly improving their mood. I know that one female wrote of how, in having a brother with schizophrenia she had investigated about vitamins effecting mood, and in doing so she found that taking Vitamin B (if I remember correctly) cured her own 'schizoid' condition. ....I'm not sure just where this thread is here now, but it was started since I've been here (which was from around October).

I've also come across some theories about blood sugar levels and their impact on tryptophan and serotinin (where it is stated that, just as diabetics tend to suffer depression, that vice versa is also true) and that looking at sugar levels (similar with Vitamin B problems) effects mood; and that chromium picolinate can help in metabolising glucose. The problem is that there is some worry that chromium picolinate is toxic in the dose needed as a pill. Yet, some people who suffered depression for years, including manic depression, were supposedly cured immediately upon taking chromium picolinate and lowering their sugar intake.

What interests me about Dr Vic Shayne is that he believes that there is a strong correlation between vitamin deficiencies and health problems, including mood disorders. ...When you consider that it is said that young generations today are 300% more likely to suffer from mood disorders, when you see the advertisements for depression and anxiety and the statistics of how many suffer from these (I think that it is 1 in 4), and how children are given pills for attention deficit disorder, of which a major cause of has been pin-pointed as food additives ....and also just information about the quality of American (and in general, Western) diets
.... all of this appeals to me because it states that perhaps people like me, with a socalled 'mental or emotional disorder' are no where near so defective. ...Surely the above facts suggest that a problem like 'social phobia' isn't all simply about wrong thoughts, or even a problem solely beginning from within the person. At the very least, diet does seem to have a significant effect on mood problems.

And recently, I have noticed a connection between my mood and my wanting to change it through eating a lot of bread -a little less than a week ago I had worse than average anxiety and found my self wanting to eat a lot of bread. ...Since then, I've been really considering how much an effect food has on me. Also, my older cousin has anxiety problems; after quitting work many years ago she has since cut-out sugar and stimulants from her diet (she says that they make her stressed) and even avoids soaps and shampoos that are not completely natural.
 

plainsofserenity

Well-known member
Some support for you:
I know that within my group therapy we had a nutritionist come in and among her many point, she suggeted a B-complex vitamin. Mainly because the B group of vitamins help physilogically with nerves and thus with mood. And, pointing out that often someone with a disorder will not be eating properly and thus be missing these vitamins from their diet.

I also know that within an addiction rehab setting the patients' medication is controlled by the admin - making sure you get what you need when you need it and not getting what you shouldn't have. And, the only thing within the little paper cup that wasn't specifically prescribed to the patient is a B-complex vitamin.

Thirdly, even if B vitamins don't 'cure' your disorder, there is an inter-connectivity factor. If you are physically lethargic because of a dietary defficiency then that would have ramification on mood, thinking patterns, behaviour and feedback from your environment when you put those behaviours into play. Change one of these and there could (should?) be a domino effect on the rest - I physically feel better, so my mood rises, so I feel better about myself, that is reflected in my behavior and ultimately in feedback I get from world.
 
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