powerwithin said:
Instead of trying to deconstruct everything I have written, why not just accept that I am offering something? .
Powerwithin,
Looks like we are not going to agree on the basics. It seems as though you don't like what my 'deconstructing' reveals about your posts and so you are asking me to stop and simply base my opinion on your personal integrity. Also I do accept that you are 'offering something' but you are displaying some troubling attitudes (superiority and lack of awareness) that people may choose to avoid.
powerwithin said:
With all due respect, I have been very clear in these postings. "I am committed to making a lasting change" is what I wrote and I stand by that..
I appreciate your civility in addressing me but we aren't going to agree on this for reasons stated in my prior posts.
powerwithin said:
You are just choosing to be sarcastic and look for logic holes where they don't exist. ..
I disagree with you based on information in my prior posts.
powerwithin said:
I had that in another thread when I simply wrote that a process worked for me. I was accused of being the person offering the treatment, my honesty was called into question and everything was treated with skepticism. ..
So you have had the same response elsewhere but are unable to understand why some people might feel this way? You say you've encountered skepticism before when you 'simply' posted that it worked for you so you decided to post on the same topic but this time promising to help EVERYONE for FREE and didn't expect any skepticism?
powerwithin said:
I do not need to justify myself here, Random. I know what I am about and I am not trying to hurt anyone. I am not the Messiah, so please do not assume you know ANYTHING about me, my intentions or my heart...
I have not asked you to justify yourself (although you seem to be doing so) but based on your prior experiences you might have expected people to be skeptical and make comments you might not like. I wonder why you didn't change your strategy - post a thread providing detail about the
I assure you that I never assumed that you were the Messiah.
You do seem to be making some gigantic assumptions about us in stating that you can help EVERYONE.
You stress that I can't assume that I (and others) know ANYTHING about you, your heart, your intentions etc. but you seem to be insisting that we should trust you. That almost sounds like a logic error.
powerwithin said:
There is no "drift" in what I wrote. ...
With all due respect, we're going to have to agree to disagree on that.
powerwithin said:
I have never offered a "lifetime cure". You have to commit. I contend that if people commit to the processes I recommend, they will feel a lot better.
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Ok so if people contact you you will help them feel a lot better. And you contrast this with:
powerwithin said:
Again, reading a forum will make other sufferers feel accepted and more comfortable. It IS comforting to know that other people suffer from these symptoms. ...
So people reading a forum with feel accepted and more 'comfortable' and they will find it 'comforting' etc. I don't see a significant difference between what you offer (feeling 'alot better') and what reading a forum offers (feeling accepted, comfortable) etc. Overtime the nature of the help you offer kind of...drifts. First post - you will 'work' with EVERYONE (sounds so much like therapy) one on one. Second post - you are just offering to share resources (You never addressed my prior question: Why did you pay so much for free resources?). Third post - you are recommending processes.
You seem to be implying that your video and MP3 'resources' (offer #2) are so much more effective than reading ( a forum etc.)? Could you tell us more about that? It seems pretty harsh that the onlly effective methods that will help us are contained in MP3's and Videos (which just happen to be incompatible with this board format hmmmm) that are available nowhere else but from you and that they are free but cost you alot of money.
powerwithin said:
However, I maintain that reading any self-help book, forum or advice will lead to lasting change. Please indicate, with examples, why this is untrue....
I assume you left out the word ''not" here (please pardon the assumption but it was necessary). I think this is unkind of you. In your first post you say you've spent alot of money and tried alot of things and now you know what works. It seems like you are saying that, if we want to get better we have to contact you because we'll just waste time searching ourselves and posting on boards, reading etc. You seem to try to scare us into thinking we won't get any better without you. (Don't you wonder how you know what is and isn't helping us even when we don't? I know I do.) Perhaps reading didn't help you but does it follow that it won't help anyone else?
You would like an example of how reading something helped? I read, and therefore recommend, the book 'I could be Anything if Only I knew What it Was' by Barabar Sherr. It helped to change parts of my life. In the book it describes how you write letters to those who have hurt you - and this time you write a dialogue between you and that person but you write it as if the person is willing to listen, absolutely not defensive accusing, endlessly loving, and sorry they hurt you. I put the book down and got some paper and wrote some letters. I then modified it for my own use. I imagine people who have hurt me standing right in front of me. Following the books premise - I talked out loud, told them how they hurt me. I was surprised that it surfaced anger and pain so well. I layed it all out (anger and pain) and, based on the formula in the book, imagined their complete sorrow and love - they apologized. I was emotionally drained every time I did this (repeated it about 6 times on different days for different people) but following two 'letter readings' I awoke the next morning exhausted and feeling the true sweet certainty that I had regained a missing piece of my heart - which I thought was impossible. I also recommend the exercise where she has you imagine yourself as a young child - complete with what you wearing, where you are sitting etc - and then you imagine that you go and find that child and hug her etc. Very powerful stuff - it healed some old but powerful wounds. This forum helps me etc. How is it you are so certain you know what helps me better than I do?
powerwithin said:
Of course, no help can be GUARANTEED because people have to COMMIT to any process. If you have a resistant attitude of "I can't be helped" or "I'm not going to do what is suggested", you will not get any further in life. Fact. There is no magic wand, sadly. Again, Random, I am not duping anyone here and no-one is being co-erced. At the very worst, they will learn some strategies and dismiss them.
I think this is unkind of you and I believe it is a straw man argument. I've never encountered anyone who thought that there was a 'magic wand'. Further, you imply that the only way people don't get better is lack of commitment and mention resistance - who ever suggested that one could get well by resisting help or via a magic wand? ( So I guess you are covered - anytime someone doesn't benefit from your 'offer' it's because they aren't commited.) By the way, either you made some negative assumptions about us (wand hunting) or this false argument - which no one but you suggested; it is so easily defeated, which is why you brought it up.
I never mentioned coercion. But I object to strangers assuming far too much about us and our struggles, assuming they have superior knowledge and skill, and stating that we are doing (posting) won't help us so we better depend on them instead.
Now that last sentence in the last quote about "at the very worst, they will learn some strategies and dismiss them" constitutes offer #4. This forum does include many many posts of strategies that we can read and dismiss - how does this differ from what you offer? The only difference seems to be your aversion to having a public SA forum know what you the names of useful videos, mp3s, and how they helped you; descriptions of strategies and processes etc.
