Society is the problem.

[nimrodel]

Okay, I was talking to someone at work today (well, he was doing the talking part but I was faithfully listening) and he brought up an interesting theory about psychology. It's still a bit jumbled up in my head but I would really love to know what you guys think about it, so please respond!

Basically, there is no such thing as a "disorder" and this illusion stems from the lack of "order". There is something significantly missing from the lives of people that have different types of thinking than others. As social phobics, we focus too much on ourselves. We don't know what's wrong with us so we schedule an appointment with a psychologist, drive all the way there and attend a 45 minute session after paying $150.00. This isn't fixing the problem. Psychologists think that there is something wrong with the brain, when the true problem comes from the heart. The brain's mecanism can't be fixed. All that these people are doing are giving us drugs to calm us down and make us feel happy. It's not real. It's like trying to cover up the problem instead of getting to the real point behind it.

If we want to get better, then we have to focus on society and the real point behind life, which would ultimately be higher principles and values. We are not as important as what we do and what we stand for. We are affected by these so-called disorders because of a lack of faith and the only way to remedy this is by participating in society and achieving what is most important to the community.

I'm not sure if I believe this or not but while he was talking, I felt like it made so much sense. I can't really explain it nearly as well as he did and I'm sorry if it doesn't make any sense at all. Feel free to add on to it, maybe it'll help me understand it better.

 

[pinkputter]

I am a little confused .... I dont agree with but I get what youre saying the "problem" is but im confused how you are saying the theory says to fix it??

You talked about psychologists "masking" the problem with drugs. I guess I can't say that this doesnt go on. But if you find a good psychologist and explain to them that you want a non-medicated recovery, they CAN help you or find some one who will. Its their job. You are paying them. So if they are not helping you it's their obligation to find out a way that will. Don't discount psychologists completely. And for that matter don't discount medication. I chose myself not to take medication for it, but it was more than difficult. And some people need medication to just COPE with every day life. Yes this is "covering" it up... temporarily. If you use medicine WITH skills youve learned and try every day to get better, you can eventually get off the medicine. Your description of this was completely generalized and discounted this as an option completely.

And like i said im not quite sure what you said was the solution to the problem. But if the solution to the problem is outside yourself, you won't succeed. The only outcome of a situation you can control is your own.
Can you control what goes on in society? No.
You what you CAN do is control how YOU are involved in society and what YOU do in reacting with what happens.

Your post is entitled the problem is society. We can't change society, even though we are a part of it. What we can change is ourselves.

 

[Orl]

I think it's true...

We should observe society a bit more. We should focus on how people we meet everyday behave and what they have to say...listen to them more rather than concentrate on "ourselves", and we need to be conscious of the fact that one person has his own point of view, one point of view.
i also know for sure that there are billions of point of views out there and all different in their own way.

I know it might get even more confusing now but sometimes i think we let ourselves be too absorbed by our own brain when it's really important to let the heart go and make our belly looser...

really hope all this makes a bit of sense, sorry for my italianized english and as a great artist from my country used to say "everything is true and everything is false".

ciao

p.s.- drugs can make a big difference but they don't fix the problem.

 

[r0ck0ut04]

the only way to remedy this is by participating in society and achieving what is most important to the community.

I don"t agree with that at all. I think the most important part is achieving what is most important to yourself. I think most people with Sa spend more time trying to please other people instead of thereself living through other peoples eyes and thats not good.

 

[nimrodel]

Hey you guys,
Thanks for replying.

pinkputter - I do understand what you're saying and it makes sense to me. In a way, after I posted the topic, I completely lost track of my thoughts. It was really weird.

Orl - That is an amazing quote. I just love it. The points you made make perfect sense also.

Rockout - I don't really agree with one part of your post. When you said, "I think the most important part is achieving what is most important to yourself." I think that the whole is more important than the individual parts, and it sort of brought me back to what I was trying to say. That we should focus on doing what's right instead of our own desires and feelings.

Anyway, thanks again! I really lost track of my own ideas, so I'm sorry it was complicated.

 

[sabbath92001]

Okay, I was talking to someone at work today (well, he was doing the talking part but I was faithfully listening) and he brought up an interesting theory about psychology. It's still a bit jumbled up in my head but I would really love to know what you guys think about it, so please respond!

Basically, there is no such thing as a "disorder" and this illusion stems from the lack of "order". There is something significantly missing from the lives of people that have different types of thinking than others. As social phobics, we focus too much on ourselves. We don't know what's wrong with us so we schedule an appointment with a psychologist, drive all the way there and attend a 45 minute session after paying $150.00. This isn't fixing the problem. Psychologists think that there is something wrong with the brain, when the true problem comes from the heart. The brain's mechanism can't be fixed. All that these people are doing are giving us drugs to calm us down and make us feel happy. It's not real. It's like trying to cover up the problem instead of getting to the real point behind it.

If we want to get better, then we have to focus on society and the real point behind life, which would ultimately be higher principles and values. We are not as important as what we do and what we stand for. We are affected by these so-called disorders because of a lack of faith and the only way to remedy this is by participating in society and achieving what is most important to the community.

I'm not sure if I believe this or not but while he was talking, I felt like it made so much sense. I can't really explain it nearly as well as he did and I'm sorry if it doesn't make any sense at all. Feel free to add on to it, maybe it'll help me understand it better.

This makes sense to me too. ACT (Acceptance and Commitment Therapy) has helped me a lot and ACT is based on our own values. I think my purpose here (Earth) is to help others. But I can't help others if I can't even help myself. With ACT I can participate in life and be helpful.

 

[Zipper]

L'enfer, c'est les autres.

 

[sabbath92001]

L'enfer, c'est les autres.

huh?

www.babblefish.com says you said (assuming it's french):

Hell, it is the others.