lumbar sympathectomy ???/
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Surfsider I have some advice for you: get away from this forum. Seriously.
I've read some of your recent posts and you claim to have such a great problem with your feet because they sweat when you are playing tennis during the summer. As people advised you in that thread, that is not really an issue.
You were before banned from the ETS and Reversals forum because you annoyed people there by throwing out threads like this. You think there is a truth to be found with ETS but there is only one: "It's a gamble". Even when being told this repeatedly on at least two forums you keep going on about it.
What's worse is that you know the risk with ETS (if you haven't ignored all the answers given to you) and still you are thinking about proceed with it because you have sweaty feet. You said before your hands are better than ever, and you are now looking to control your feet sweat by surgery. FORGET ABOUT IT!
I don't know what you expect when you talk to people that sweats through multiple shirts every day. "Oh shit man, do your feet get sweaty after playing tennis in the summer heat? I understand it's hard, you should definitely get professional help!!"
Just drop your feet issue. My advice for you to keep out from this forum is sincere, and consists of two parts 1) You will piss people of by making a storm in a teacup out of your sweaty feet 2) Sweating is partly psychological. if you think about your feet sweat, you are running a great risk of increase sweating in your hands and maybe also other parts of your body. It's dangerous for you to hang out here, and engage in discussions concerning this.
So stop worry about your feet and live your life! You can do it, apart from many others in here.....
I've read some of your recent posts and you claim to have such a great problem with your feet because they sweat when you are playing tennis during the summer. As people advised you in that thread, that is not really an issue.
You were before banned from the ETS and Reversals forum because you annoyed people there by throwing out threads like this. You think there is a truth to be found with ETS but there is only one: "It's a gamble". Even when being told this repeatedly on at least two forums you keep going on about it.
What's worse is that you know the risk with ETS (if you haven't ignored all the answers given to you) and still you are thinking about proceed with it because you have sweaty feet. You said before your hands are better than ever, and you are now looking to control your feet sweat by surgery. FORGET ABOUT IT!
I don't know what you expect when you talk to people that sweats through multiple shirts every day. "Oh shit man, do your feet get sweaty after playing tennis in the summer heat? I understand it's hard, you should definitely get professional help!!"
Just drop your feet issue. My advice for you to keep out from this forum is sincere, and consists of two parts 1) You will piss people of by making a storm in a teacup out of your sweaty feet 2) Sweating is partly psychological. if you think about your feet sweat, you are running a great risk of increase sweating in your hands and maybe also other parts of your body. It's dangerous for you to hang out here, and engage in discussions concerning this.
So stop worry about your feet and live your life! You can do it, apart from many others in here.....
TheBigSweat
Active member
Yea i think there are a number of people on here who do not really have a serious problem. I mean I have read people's posts about how their lives have been ruined because of their face sweating too much or their ass sweating too much. To me that is not that bad. I mean two famous college basketball coaches are known for their severe sweating through their suits. Bruce Pearl and Gary Williams and they are ultra successful and not self conscious. That is not that bad to me. It is crippling when your hands are soaked constantly even when you are just trying to relax, not simply because it is embarassing, but because you literally cannot function normally. I mean you cannot use a computer without soaking the keys, you cannot go bowling because your sweat fills the balls holes with a gooey substance, you cannot touch someones hand without soaking them. That is where the real problem lies.
And with regards to the original poster, I also have a foot sweating problem but let me ask you this to see if you do. Can you wear sandals? What I mean by that is someone with hyperhidrosis of the feet sweats to the point where it is so squishy and gross they cannot walk in sandals. They also always have to wear socks with their shoes because they will ruin their shoes with a horrific sweaty smell going without socks. Do you sweat through your socks when you are just doing normal things (not playing tennis)? What I would adivse you to do is buy socks that are sweat resistant when you play tennis and that is probably all youu require. Sweating is normal, except when it interferes with your ability to function like a normal human being.
And with regards to the original poster, I also have a foot sweating problem but let me ask you this to see if you do. Can you wear sandals? What I mean by that is someone with hyperhidrosis of the feet sweats to the point where it is so squishy and gross they cannot walk in sandals. They also always have to wear socks with their shoes because they will ruin their shoes with a horrific sweaty smell going without socks. Do you sweat through your socks when you are just doing normal things (not playing tennis)? What I would adivse you to do is buy socks that are sweat resistant when you play tennis and that is probably all youu require. Sweating is normal, except when it interferes with your ability to function like a normal human being.
TheBigSweat
Active member
Yea I would think the surgery would only be a last resort. I am considering it because I talked to a specialist who would do only one side at a time to see what the side effects were like.
I wear socks all the time and it is unpleasent. But the surgery seems to be less effective for the feee than the hands.
I wear socks all the time and it is unpleasent. But the surgery seems to be less effective for the feee than the hands.
Jezza
Well-known member
@tbs,
yeah this dude means something else though, or actually the same thing (snipping the nerve) but at a lower level, therefore not only cutting off the sympathetic nerve for the upper part of the body, but also the lower.
I'm already very sceptical about ETS in general, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize this lumbar sympathectomy is just insane.
I've read from another Dutch guy some time ago though who had ETS just on one side (on the right side, since you use that hand the most obvioulsy) and he was quite happy with the results. He also said the sweating in his left hand had decreased significantly as well and he didn't go back to have the left side done afterwards.
I don't know about the long term though. I kind of lost track of the Dutch forum, last I checked in most are stuck using oxybutynin with inconsistent results. Personally I think I have to set myself some kind of deadline to consider ETS. I don't want to do it and I still think HH is a solvable problem if only the medical world put some real effort in, but if this goes on for another say, 10 years...I guess I'll have to take the gamble some time in the future.
yeah this dude means something else though, or actually the same thing (snipping the nerve) but at a lower level, therefore not only cutting off the sympathetic nerve for the upper part of the body, but also the lower.
I'm already very sceptical about ETS in general, but you don't have to be a rocket scientist to realize this lumbar sympathectomy is just insane.
I've read from another Dutch guy some time ago though who had ETS just on one side (on the right side, since you use that hand the most obvioulsy) and he was quite happy with the results. He also said the sweating in his left hand had decreased significantly as well and he didn't go back to have the left side done afterwards.
I don't know about the long term though. I kind of lost track of the Dutch forum, last I checked in most are stuck using oxybutynin with inconsistent results. Personally I think I have to set myself some kind of deadline to consider ETS. I don't want to do it and I still think HH is a solvable problem if only the medical world put some real effort in, but if this goes on for another say, 10 years...I guess I'll have to take the gamble some time in the future.
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TheBigSweat
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Thanks for that info Jezza. I was upset when he said that is how they did the surgery because it would potentially mean doing it twice and two overnight stays at the hospital. Anyway, I agree the surgery is a risk, but I just do not see a solution on the horizon. Simyple because I just do not think enough money is being put into HH research.
Jezza
Well-known member
Well the overnight stays at the hospital don't bother me...That's one or two days out of your life, definitely worth having it done in two times if it can improve the conditions you'll live in for the rest of your life.
I have been looking at ETS stories from the Dutch forum last night...Overall the usual picture; some say it helped, some say that particularly the long term side effects are unbearable. I also found the one who had the one hand done. IIRC he had surgery in 06 or 07. I'll try and send the guy a pm, he hasn't been on the forum in a long time but one can try.
If I would go the route of ETS I would definitely start with just one side, and as high as possible (as in, only for hands, if they have to do armpits as well that's one level lower already, increasing the area of your body that can't sweat no more and therefore in my view increasing the CS). But I'm not there yet.
Keep you posted (although it's quite possible that I don't get an answer)
I have been looking at ETS stories from the Dutch forum last night...Overall the usual picture; some say it helped, some say that particularly the long term side effects are unbearable. I also found the one who had the one hand done. IIRC he had surgery in 06 or 07. I'll try and send the guy a pm, he hasn't been on the forum in a long time but one can try.
If I would go the route of ETS I would definitely start with just one side, and as high as possible (as in, only for hands, if they have to do armpits as well that's one level lower already, increasing the area of your body that can't sweat no more and therefore in my view increasing the CS). But I'm not there yet.
Keep you posted (although it's quite possible that I don't get an answer)
Well, besides this thread, below listed are just a selection of threads started by surfsider on this forum the recent year:
http://www.socialphobiaworld.com/does-ets-surgery-cure-feet-sweating-20234/
http://www.socialphobiaworld.com/ets-surgery-no-side-effects-18749/
http://www.socialphobiaworld.com/ets-surgery-confusion-16549/
http://www.socialphobiaworld.com/the-united-states-and-ets-16896/
They are all basically the same, and it's hilarious people even bother to answer anymore. All the questions were repeatedly asked even and the ETS and Reversal Forum and from what I have heard also the EFSB Channel.
As surfsider mentions himselfs in one of the above threads, he get sweaty fingertips only if he thinks about it. And starting up those many discussions for sure makes him think about it.
Just keep away, you don't have HH (yet).
http://www.socialphobiaworld.com/does-ets-surgery-cure-feet-sweating-20234/
http://www.socialphobiaworld.com/ets-surgery-no-side-effects-18749/
http://www.socialphobiaworld.com/ets-surgery-confusion-16549/
http://www.socialphobiaworld.com/the-united-states-and-ets-16896/
They are all basically the same, and it's hilarious people even bother to answer anymore. All the questions were repeatedly asked even and the ETS and Reversal Forum and from what I have heard also the EFSB Channel.
As surfsider mentions himselfs in one of the above threads, he get sweaty fingertips only if he thinks about it. And starting up those many discussions for sure makes him think about it.
Just keep away, you don't have HH (yet).