If you were booked on a training course at work...

What would you do?

  • Attend the course and try your best?

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  • Attend the course but use medication or alcohol?

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  • Phone in sick on day of course?

    Votes: 0 0.0%

  • Total voters
    1

charlieHungerford

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which you heard involved 'public speaking', such as introducing yourself to a room of strangers saying your name, where you work and something about yourself and have to do role play throughout the day, what would you do? (I am making the assumption here that you fear public speaking, if you don't fear speaking in public then that is so cool, please ignore the question, I am really just wanting to know what people who fear this would do)

I am just interested in people's answers? To make it easy I have made a poll.
 

charlieHungerford

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For those who fear public speaking, what % of the fear comes from a really bad experience in the past where things just went horribly wrong?

I remember loving reading my stories out in class when I was young, I had everyone in stitches of laughter. But when I kept constantly getting ridiculed about a speech impediment in high school I got so anxious about speaking out loud for the fear of ridicule and I just went to pieces in a presentation I had to make. That fear was not because I didn't think I could do it, I was just scared of people laughing at me. But that terrible experience which I felt so humiliated in really traumatised me. The fear got re-wired from thinking I feared public speaking as I feared ridicule for a speech impediment (which I no longer have), to a fear of presentations/public speaking because I cannot do it. But I could do it fine up until I feared ridicule. This fear of public speaking because I believe I cannot do it is totally flawed. I no longer fear ridicule as my speech impediment is over, but now I fear public speaking because of the bad experiences where I was so anxious that I could not do it. I am going to work this out.

At university I always got drunk before presentations and I did amazing. I even was told mine was the best presentation after drinking a 300ml bottle of vodka before hand in one presentation I did. Unfortunately getting drunk was a bad idea in terms of trying to overcome the fear. Its like I know I cannot do it unless I get drunk now.

The fear of public speaking because you know you cannot do it is so frightening. I mean having panic attacks and going to pieces in front of everyone sounds just so awful. Its no wonder I am scared senseless.

Its going to take a bit of working out.
 

signs05

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I would do it, without any medication or anything. Would I be scared to death? Probably, but i'd still do it:p
 

random

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What Scatman and Signs05 said - me too. I trusted my boss but I never asked him if I could get out of anything because of SA. However, since he does know I have SA now (I had to give him some idea why I have a med appt. once a week) he has on some occasions used the information (that I have SA) against me - implying I objected to something he did because I must have some sort of crushing insecurity. To think - when I first told him I had SA he didn't believe me - and now he attributes unrelated things to my SA!
 

JamesMorgan

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What about looking forward to taking on your biggest demon knowing that it doesnt matter if it kicks your ass, its the Rocky Balboa approach.

What happens then? You bring it on. You get in the ring. You stand up and live your life without being so scared. No-one is scared of people or speaking, this is getting the balls to get in the ring and take on this bad ass demon.

We all feel terrified sometimes but if we give up before we even begin then of course, we'll get nowhere, right? We'll feel like the loser before we've even begun. If you feel like the loser before you begin, you will feel like the loser during the fight.

We can win over our demons before we get in the ring by wanting or wishing to get in the ring, looking forward to the fight. The demons see it, no longer should we let them frighten us.

James
 

charlieHungerford

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JamesMorgan said:
What about looking forward to taking on your biggest demon knowing that it doesnt matter if it kicks your ass, its the Rocky Balboa approach.

What happens then? You bring it on. You get in the ring. You stand up and live your life without being so scared. No-one is scared of people or speaking, this is getting the balls to get in the ring and take on this bad ass demon.

We all feel terrified sometimes but if we give up before we even begin then of course, we'll get nowhere, right? We'll feel like the loser before we've even begun. If you feel like the loser before you begin, you will feel like the loser during the fight.

We can win over our demons before we get in the ring by wanting or wishing to get in the ring, looking forward to the fight. The demons see it, no longer should we let them frighten us.

James

Wow, take a bow, that is a sensational post!

That is one of the missing answers I need to implement in order to overcome SA for sure. That is the mindset I need, that is the approach I have to have to all of this. I will of course continue my good work at changing fears and negative beliefs on myself, situations, of other people who I fear, etc and gaining positive self image, gaining confidence in myself, confidence in speaking, etc, etc - but I really do need to get into a mindset where I give these fears and anxious thoughts no more respect, I will put up a fight and battle my way through this. These negative thoughts, fears and anxiety deserve no respect, they come from flawed extremely biased/exaggerated negative beliefs. Beliefs like that deserve no respect.

Its going to take a bit of effort to enforce this mindset on myself but that is what I am going to work on. I know its right if I want to get to where I am aiming for. I have to start fighting back, have drive and determination to not let things get in the way. You are so right that a defeatist attitude and a mindset of accepting you will fail and wanting to avoid the situation is just 100% failure attitude. No one in life can succeed in anything with such an attitude, it simply has to be stopped.

Why can't I do these things like public speaking? I can speak, I can speak confidently around so many people, I have a brain, why on Earth can I not do this, why on Earth am I having this stupid defeatist attitude that I can't do it and so am giving in believing I am definitely going to fail. Its just yet another one of these terrible destructive negative thinking patterns that I didn't realise I was doing. I am going to beat SA's ass like I should have done long ago.

James, fantastic post, thank you for really opening my eyes.
 

Predacon

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I guess it would depend how important the course was to the actual job, if it was only something minor and wouldn't impact on the actual work I might call in sick. If it was important I'd go and muddle through it somehow if you have to go you have to go. I'd be thinking about it all the time leading up but I wouldn't drink or anything to try and forget it.
 

blackcap

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I've been in this situation before. Since it was only a one-day course I forced myself to do it, and although it wasn't much fun I got through it okay.

There was an even worse course at the company I used to work for that everyone had to do, but they ran it only once a year and about 20 people in the company did it at a time. It was a big company so luckily I managed to avoid it by sheer luck, but every year they announced the attendees I would worry for days beforehand in case it was my turn. The course was 5 days, was renown for its intense nature, involved lots of roleplaying (it was a consulting course), and you had to actually stay on site for the whole 5 days (including sleeping there). I don't know what I would've done if I had to go on that!

If you do manage to go on your course Charlie, just keep telling yourself that it's one day only and that you can forget about it and go home after that day.
 

charlieHungerford

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5 day training course? That makes me anxious just thinking about that. Thanks for the comments blackcap. Don't you think its a ridiculous fear? I mean it is an irrational fear in reality because I am sure you will agree that you can speak and are of decent intelligence to think of something to say, yet this is the world's most common fear. Its all in the mind, to be able to speak fine and confidently when you are reading a book out loud when you are by yourself or around friends or family, but when you replace that situation with 20 or 30 people you all of a sudden have a huge fear, its ridiculous, it surely can be put right - if you address the fears behind it.

You are right its one day, but at the moment I don't believe I can do it because of the fears that I have developed over public speaking, if I can get myself into the right frame of mind that yeah I can do it (because in reality I should be able to do it as I can speak and I have a brain which is all you need, I just need to sort these negative beliefs out) then I would put myself into the situation.

When I first started in my job we had to go on an induction day with 25 other new starters. I didn't know there would be any public speaking. But immediately we sat around a huge table and were told to go around the circle and stand up and introduce ourselves and say a bit about ourselves. I just had panic attacks immediately, I was crapping myself so much, I was like counting down how many people it was to my turn and when it came to my turn I couldn't get my words out, I was shaking, it was just awful. I managed to speak in like the most trembly shakey voice ever and had to do deep swallowing some 10 times - even though I only had to speak for about 30 seconds. After that was over I thought thank god for that, at least that is the worst over. But it wasn't, we were told in the afternoon we would all go to a department, learn about what they do and then come back and do a presentation. I was just having panic attacks on hearing this, I had to go to the toilet where I just couldn't stop being sick, I was in a terrible state. I ended up going to the pub at lunch time, I kept throwing up in the toilets there too, but I managed to drink enough vodka that when I came back I was fine and was able to do the presentation. I volunteered to do mine first because I didn't want the alcohol to wear off and I knew others would be more focused on their own speech to be paying full attention to mine. I had to a crappy talk about a department which no one gave a toss about. I tried to make it a bit better by doing it in a quiz type as that also would get attention off me and some moron shouted out 'We don't care'. (Did he think I cared? I couldn't give a shit about the stuff, but I had to do a talk on it). I was so relieved to get it over. I realise my fears here are extreme. Amazingly I was brilliant at talking to groups up until I was about 13, I loved speaking in front of class and reading my stories out, but back then I didn't have any of the negative beliefs or fears attached to speaking out loud.
I had some terrible experiences - I got ridiculed over a speech impediment and so many people teased me, ridiculed me, repeated what I said and be laughing and writing how I said words on the blackboard and just making me feel like a freak. People would come up to me and tell me to say a word I cannot say and if I didn't say it they would beat me up and then they would just laugh out loud when I said the word.
I hated even saying my name because I got ridiculed for that. I hated the thought of public speaking from then on because I just knew people would laugh at me for saying words wrong and indeed things went awful - in a presentation I just went to pieces, shaking so much, I couldn't get my words out, everyone was looking at me and I just couldn't do it. I then had to read out loud in class soon afterwards and went to pieces again. My speech impediment was overcome soon after but again doing a presentation at college when I no longer feared speech impediment, but I feared I couldn't do it, well again I went to pieces, the fear was so extreme. I then avoided such situations and just got drunk which would work. I remember once drinking a 350ml bottle of vodka beforehand and I was given the highest grade in the whole class for my presentation. If I can get rid of the nerves/anxiety I can do brilliantly, I add humour and can make things interesting. But even though I have been in situations since such as training courses, it didn't help whatsoever, the fear is so extreme.

This is why I simply have to sort out the fear and the negative beliefs behind it before I start even considering putting myself in such situations.
When I think of public speaking I think of those presentations and reading out loud immediately, and these were half my life ago. That is not right!
Its amazing how speaking is so natural, I can speak fine and confidently in so many situations but I am completely traumatised by this fear, yet I see people on tv do it all the time and its like no big deal whatsoever, its just something I need to completely address and analyse.

So, today I am going to spend the whole day aiming to sort this out. I know I will not cure the fear completely, but I am hoping I can put to bed these ridiculously negative terrible fears and aim to wipe the slate clean. I need to see speaking in a very different way! I will write later today on how I get on.
 

blackcap

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I think public speaking is one of the most common fears even amongst non-SA people. I believe it's ranked ahead of death itself!

The only times I've really had to do public speaking have been in courses, both at university and work-related ones. They all tended to be okay, even though I had a lot of anticipatory anxiety I was okay once I got into it, as long as I prepared well (i.e. memorised it!). It's trying to think on my feet that gets me. Actually another time I had to do a speech was when I left my last company. That was the worst for me because even though I memorised my farewell speech, I was really really nervous so much that I could feel my facial muscles trying to frown even though I was trying to smile. It was the weirdest feeling, I can't imagine how it must've looked!

Anyway my point is that rehearsing your speech helps a lot as you can go into auto-pilot and just churn out everything from memory. That doesn't help when you get asked to do a little speech on the spot of course, although if you know you will be introducing yourself maybe you can prepare something ahead of time too.
 

IceLad

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I've had to attend a training course for work, made worse by the fact that I had to commute to the location as it was some distance away. The anticipatory anxiety travelling there was pretty bad.

I took plenty of herbal remedies to help me cope with the couple of days it lasted.

Its very tough having to introduce yourself to a group of strangers you can't 'retreat' from. Even tougher when the course involved a lot of role play activities.
 
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