carer of ocd partner

helencon21

Member
:cry: i am caring for my partner who has resposibility ocd. i absolutley have had enough.... i dont want to give up on him but i really cannot do any more to help. my partner thinks he is abusing our children in the night while he sleep walks. this is particularly raw to me as my mum was abused as a child. i help all i can but constantly being told he is doing this is taking its toll.... i dont want to hear this all day every day. this might sound selfish but every time he says it it breaks my heart.... to go on and do the best 4 my kids. i no its ocd but i just CANNOT convince him. can anybody help... please i really cant go on.
 

YankeeBob

Well-known member
I HAVE HAD ENOUGH....

sounds to me like you are parenting your children...and your partner.

a person can only give so much. we each need to be listened to and supported as well.

and loved of course.

would you like some suggestions...or is post just you wanting to vent ?

take care. be well.
 

helencon21

Member
thanks for the reply. yep i feel like his mother too!

i just wanted some suggestions on how to deal with this.. i dont know
wether to reassure him, ignore it or physically drag him out of bed. he cant get out of bed until he checks if he can remember if he has abused the kids in the night. he was there till 6pm last night until i told him if he doesnt get up im going out and leaving him with the kids.
he got up eventually. he is breaking my heart 2 see him like this, i just want to help but i dont know what to do for the best.
i have heard that reassurance doesnt help ocd sufferers. any suggestions would be welcome.
he has had ocd for 12 years, we met 11 years ago and have been together since. i have always been able to deal with it but now with the kids i cant do it all, i also have ptsd and am trying 2 recover from that. its all a bit much right now. any help would b great, thanx 4 listening :cry:
 

YankeeBob

Well-known member
some suggestions

ok. this is a complex area and it might take him four to six years to get a grasp on this.

1) your partner has an illness. its a mental, probably emotional and possibly genetic illness.

you can not "heal him'. he needs professional help.

probably from a man. you see we men need to make healthy connections with other men about our "shit".

this insight comes from my own personal experience.

my first wife could not help me. nor the other women i turned to. nor my loving current wife.

2) the seeds of his illness are most probably in his childhood. my guess he finds he can't talk about the pain of that.

then again i live in Australia...so making a diagnosis from this far away is stretching it....just a little bit.

i just smiled..a sad smile.

my guess ( and its only a guess ) is that he has created some fantasy of what it was like...including his relationship with his father...and has chosen to never examine this area.

when he is ready...and now may be too early....I would urge him to read Terrence Real's book "I don't want to talk about it."

in it he discusses the fact that so many men are addicted to work, or booze, or other external substances to get our "self esteem".

its a very compelling book.

you might find it helpful for yourself to read it and see if it makes some sense for YOU.

3) priority one is sleep. steady sleep every night...for your partner.

You may have to get him to a doctor. ...or kick him out of the house...or ask his parents for help...

he will procrastinate and act like a child about this...because its a failure for a man to admit he has a problem.

i speak from personal experience here.

4) self esteem is an issue . he should be on this site perhaps.

5) do you think he has an addiction to some substance?

you might want to converse with me in a private message or via my email address on this as it is probably very private area.

6) "abusing the children"

those of us who were abused as children ( emotionally - anger/physical abuse, or neglect - psychological abuse ) live in fear of doing the same to our kids.

is this something that you have a sense is in his head?

7) I have some other questions and ideas...but this might be a good place to start.

take care. be well.

ps. there is HOPE
 

helencon21

Member
:lol: thanks for your reply. lots of this makes sense. i will try these points, and have to live with the fact that i cant help him, however much it hurts me 2 see him this way, i can however support him and that is what i will continue to do, thanks again
 

YankeeBob

Well-known member
OCD observations

OCD takes many forms. Some of them are:
* drug addiction,
* booze addiction,
* lust addiction,
* Isolating
* Denial we have a problem / minimising the problem
* work addiction
etc

The work I have done in this area ON MYSELF has revealed some interesting insights:

1) I had a low self esteem as a child. Never talked about this with my parents or others. Pretended everyting was ok when on the inside I was lonely, troubled, and felt hollow.

2) Did not have any close male friends growing up ( NEVER ) because I would not let people know what I was thinking or feeling.

3) My relationships with women were dysfunctional .

4) Like my father I became a workaholic. Work became my secret friend. It became a crutch...and allowed me to "pretend " everything was ok when it was horrible.

Now a book I am reading called "I don't want to talk about it" by Terrence Real makes the point that some men experience "covert depression" all their lives.

And they refuse to accept they have a problem. You see their ( my ) eyes look at everyone else, rarely at themselves.

He goes on to argue that this denial requires some event to CRACK it open.

Sometimes its when a partner/loved one says I am leaving. Or they loose a job. Or some other dramatic event occurs.

Only then is there REAL PAIN, a sense of loss. And a williness to deal with what is going on.

This author argues that once we come off OCD substances/behaviours we men shift from "covert depression" to real depression.

That is we feel everything: sadness, pain, guilt , shame, anger, resentment.....in short for the first time we start feeling all the human feelings we have always repressed or medicated.

Now I can relate to this observation. I tried for 53 years to put up a front and say "I am ok. When I was feeling great pain and hollowness."

This change came from a dramatic event ...I was fortunate that I confided in a brother who lives in the USA. He recommened I contact AA here in Australia and see if they have a 12 Step Program for my OCD.

They did. And I have discovered there are other men ( and a few women ) with my behaviours and thinking.

Slowly, I have been getting progressive victory over my obsessive thinking and compulsive behaviors. This is after 4.5 years of working on myself, learning to share thoughts and weaknesses with other men. Learning that we all are different ( in terms of sensitivity, courage, self doubt , self awareness ) and all are the same.

Now I have come to understand that passive abuse took place in my childhood. I was a sensitive, needy child who wanted reassurance and constant affection.

Sadly, neither of my parents received this in their childhoods, so they could not pass on what they had not been given. For that I have learned to forgive them.

And that was very difficult to do. It was easier to see myself as a "victim" and they were "bad parents".

I share these small insights with you in the hope that it gives you some HOPE and some sense of what might be going on for your partner.

Do encourage you to read Terrence Real's book. It rings true for me.
 
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dudemanbro2009

Guest
I don't know what to do anymore, and seriously need support.
My boyfriend and I have been together for nearly 3 years. We live together (2 1/2 years) and own 3 pets. I have bi-polar and have been treating it for years and we have gone through some very hard times, but have been pretty much stable for a year now since I went on Depokote. I see a therapist individually, and I finally convinced him to see our couples therapist individually. So we both see a couples, and we both see individual therapists once a week. When we first met he seemed to be willing to do things and go places spontaneously and overall seemed to have a good time. Of course, we were smoking weed the first year of our relationship and we havn't since. Ever since we stopped, everything of course has been a lot harder having to deal with reality, but it's the way it should be and we've worked through things. We're both artists and met each other at the college we attend. At the end of freshman year, he found 3d animation and started on this project. We're going into senior year now, so it's been 2 years, and this project controls 90% of the fights in our relationship which happen on a bi-weekly basis. His sleep schedule is controlled by it- he only sleeps 4 hours a night and takes naps just so he can get in more time on the project. Anytime I ask if he wants to go somewhere or do something, the outcome of whether we go is dependant on the project. He's even said before that he's afraid to go places because he wants to be close to the project. He gets angry at me because I will wake up at 12pm (it's summer vacation)and he will cuddle me, but if it goes over an hour, he gets mad at me. Today we got into a fight which we've had many times before where his alarm will go off, but he won't answer it (probably because he never gets any sleep and his body is starting to control him) and so then he will wake up at 11am and be super angry and freaking out. When I wake up he'll talk about how he was supposed to wake up and he didn't and now it messed up his routine. But it's a Sunday so I'll ask him if he wants to draw with me outside (or do some activity) and he'll say that he has to stay inside and work. IT'S F-CKING SUNDAY!!!! I'm sick of him putting this stupid project before me!!! he refuses not to work on the weekends!! he doesn't even have too, he's not taking summer school classes, he is doing this all on his own. It's great that he is disciplined, but it's not healthy, and it's breaking us apart. He's always nervous to do anything, and usually ends up complaining about whatever we're doing when we are doing it. He never leaves the house willingly. If it wasn't for me, or the fact that he needed groceries, he seriously would never leave. He even keeps all the blinds closed because he claims it gives "atmosphere". He has such crippling driving anziety that randomly started over the past 3 years that he can't drive. He has money anziety where he will freak out about spending 5 dollars on coffee and a pastry. I love going to the beach, but he absolutley can't stand it claiming that he feels uncomfortable exposing himself (even though his body is fine, he claims its a texture thing and he feels like people are judging him. I ask what they are thinking and he says he doesn't know, just that they are judging him). He has no other friends but me, and only had 1 friend that wasn't even close to him in highschool. In highschool aparently he would skip nearly every other day at school because his parents let him, and go alone into the woods. He would eat lunch in the library every day by himself. He worked something out with his art teacher where he could use a room away from the regular classroom to do his work, where noone would be around. His parents didn't socialize with other people nor did his family even go out to eat. His dad's got some serious issues. He drinks until he passes out on christmas while we're eating the times I've visited. His mom doesn't do anything about it. His parents didn't pay much attention to my boyfriend when he was growing up because they directed all of it to his sister who was more academically inclined, developed an eating disorder (perfectionist complex, ocd), went to yale, is now getting a doctorate, ect...you know the story. His mother has severe anziety and most of the time you can't even get a word in, and is not interested because she's on another planet. Like she will ask you a question, you will begin to answer it, and she will move on to the next subject. She was a stay at home mom, and continues to stay at home. His dad worked for the CIA and apparently used to be close with the kids when they were young, but when adolencence came along it was to awkward for him. I don't know what else to say to sum him up and what we're going through. I don't know if I can deal with this, if he's the right person for me. I'm 21 and feel like I'm married to an old man. He doesn't go out past 10 for gods sake because of his bedtime. Meanwhile he has the most flexible schedule in the world, but he acts as though he's working for some kind of nazi organization. I don't know how much is going to change when he gets on medication, does anyone know? He claims he doesn't want to change, that he's passionate, has intense modivation and drive and that he refuses to loose that. It doesn't matter how many fights happen, he doesn't understand that he's sick and that he's hurting himself. It took me this long just to get him to go to the therapist, and that was after he put off going to all doctors since he has a severe fear of doctors- like he would never make appointments even when he was really sick. I had to threaten to break up with him, and really act like I meant it for him to help himself. He is so obsessed with his work that he doesn't do his daily responsbilities like pay bills, go to doctors, call up so and so like he was asked. WHAT CAN I DO!!!??? Should I leave? I am a spontaneous person who likes to do all kinds of things, and meet people and be around friends (who since being in this relationship, I havn't had any) and stay up late, and do art when I feel like it but still observe deadlines, and travel and go to the beach and just have a good time, especially being outside, not stuck in this air conditioned apartment all the time!
 

YankeeBob

Well-known member
You asked for some ideas on your post

Point One:
We're going into senior year now, so it's been 2 years, and this project controls 90% of the fights in our relationship which happen on a bi-weekly basis. His sleep schedule is controlled by it- he only sleeps 4 hours a night and takes naps just so he can get in more time on the project. Anytime I ask if he wants to go somewhere or do something, the outcome of whether we go is dependant on the project. He's even said before that he's afraid to go places because he wants to be close to the project.

Point Two:
He gets angry at me because I will wake up at 12pm (it's summer vacation)and he will cuddle me, but if it goes over an hour, he gets mad at me. Today we got into a fight which we've had many times before where his alarm will go off, but he won't answer it (probably because he never gets any sleep and his body is starting to control him) and so then he will wake up at 11am and be super angry and freaking out. When I wake up he'll talk about how he was supposed to wake up and he didn't and now it messed up his routine. But it's a Sunday so I'll ask him if he wants to draw with me outside (or do some activity) and he'll say that he has to stay inside and work. IT'S F-CKING SUNDAY!!!!

Point Three:
I'm sick of him putting this stupid project before me!!! he refuses not to work on the weekends!! he doesn't even have too, he's not taking summer school classes, he is doing this all on his own. It's great that he is disciplined, but it's not healthy, and it's breaking us apart. He's always nervous to do anything, and usually ends up complaining about whatever we're doing when we are doing it. He never leaves the house willingly. If it wasn't for me, or the fact that he needed groceries, he seriously would never leave. He even keeps all the blinds closed because he claims it gives "atmosphere". He has such crippling driving anziety that randomly started over the past 3 years that he can't drive.

Point Four:
He has money anziety where he will freak out about spending 5 dollars on coffee and a pastry. I love going to the beach, but he absolutley can't stand it claiming that he feels uncomfortable exposing himself (even though his body is fine, he claims its a texture thing and he feels like people are judging him. I ask what they are thinking and he says he doesn't know, just that they are judging him).

Point Five:
He has no other friends but me, and only had 1 friend that wasn't even close to him in highschool. In highschool aparently he would skip nearly every other day at school because his parents let him, and go alone into the woods. He would eat lunch in the library every day by himself. He worked something out with his art teacher where he could use a room away from the regular classroom to do his work, where noone would be around.

Point Six:
His parents didn't socialize with other people nor did his family even go out to eat. His dad's got some serious issues. He drinks until he passes out on christmas while we're eating the times I've visited. His mom doesn't do anything about it. His parents didn't pay much attention to my boyfriend when he was growing up because they directed all of it to his sister who was more academically inclined, developed an eating disorder (perfectionist complex, ocd), went to yale, is now getting a doctorate, ect...you know the story. His mother has severe anziety and most of the time you can't even get a word in, and is not interested because she's on another planet. Like she will ask you a question, you will begin to answer it, and she will move on to the next subject. She was a stay at home mom, and continues to stay at home. His dad worked for the CIA and apparently used to be close with the kids when they were young, but when adolencence came along it was to awkward for him. I don't know what else to say to sum him up and what we're going through. I don't know if I can deal with this, if he's the right person for me. I'm 21 and feel like I'm married to an old man.

Point Seven:
He doesn't go out past 10 for gods sake because of his bedtime. Meanwhile he has the most flexible schedule in the world, but he acts as though he's working for some kind of nazi organization. I don't know how much is going to change when he gets on medication, does anyone know? He claims he doesn't want to change, that he's passionate, has intense modivation and drive and that he refuses to loose that. It doesn't matter how many fights happen, he doesn't understand that he's sick and that he's hurting himself. It took me this long just to get him to go to the therapist, and that was after he put off going to all doctors since he has a severe fear of doctors- like he would never make appointments even when he was really sick. I had to threaten to break up with him, and really act like I meant it for him to help himself. He is so obsessed with his work that he doesn't do his daily responsbilities like pay bills, go to doctors, call up so and so like he was asked. WHAT CAN I DO!!!??? Should I leave? I am a spontaneous person who likes to do all kinds of things, and meet people and be around friends (who since being in this relationship, I havn't had any) and stay up late, and do art when I feel like it but still observe deadlines, and travel and go to the beach and just have a good time, especially being outside, not stuck in this air conditioned apartment all the time!


MY REPLY:
In summary, you are living with a person with serious mental health issues. This relationship is affecting your emotional peace, your own happiness, and existence.

Women who are married to alcoholics ( for example ) often talk about how their own sanity is affected by the lying, the deception, the denial and the self abuse of their partners. How do I know this ? Well I go to Al Anon meetings and hear them talk of their pain weekly; by the way my brother is an alcoholic, I am also the grandson of an alcoholic, and the nephew of an alcoholic.

When I ask the women I meet in Al Anon "why do you stay in the relationship..." their answers seem to be "I am afraid to leave".

Lets look at the points you have raised in your post.

POINT ONE:
Why don't you go out and do something WITHOUT your partner? He is not your jailer, you are free to go any time you want to.

POINT TWO:
Fighting. When people in a relationship fight about the samething again and again its an indication of a POWER STRUGGLE.

You may want to purchase a cd set by an american psychologist Al Turtle. Its called, "The Map of Relationships". I and others have found it helpful.

A POWER STRUGGLE is like two boxers trying to hurt each other to make the other change. Its daily pain. It never goes away.

Insanity, though is getting into the boxing ring with Mike Tyson. And it sounds to me like you are doing that each day.

POINT THREE:
Yes he has mental and emotional disorders. No one would want to live with such a person.

Unless your self esteem is so low that you want to harm yourself.

POINT FOUR:
He has low self esteem and an anxiety disorder.

He would drag down anyone who lived with him.

POINT FIVE:
Your partner suffers from Social Anorexia. This is a serious mental illness. It takes years to change. And until the person who suffers from it accepts its a problem they will remain in denial.

POINT SIX:
His parents were dysfunctional. I can see it. You can see it.

But your partner grew up not knowing anything different.

POINT SEVEN:
He is a work addict.


Does this make sense ?
 
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