A day in my life, to get answers

dmcleod

Member
I apologize for how long this is

I am driving myself crazy trying to self diagnose/help whatever is wrong with me, and I am working on getting psychotherapy (no health insurance). Also I am terrible at accurately describing my symptoms and how I feel, even on the internet. So im
just going to describe as best I can my most recent social disaster and maybe some kind soul can give me some kind of advice based on my description.

Here goes: I read a book called "Nonviolent Communication", its all about how to use empathy in communication. Throughout the day at work I practiced what the book taught and it really seemed to help me communicate with customers better. I also talked freely with co-workers (this is like the 5th time in a year that I have gotten inspiration from some source that helped my “social anxiety” for a day, at the most. Also I am always either sadly nice or ultra superficial with customers and co-workers). So work went great and afterwards I told my self that I was going to walk right up and introduce myself to people at a music venue/bar that has some genuinely amazing people that work and hangout there. In my fantasies these are my friends and people that I want to be socially involved with (In reality my closest “friends” are my co-workers, and none of us have ever hung out outside of work).

==This next part will be a little fractured and stream-of-conscious as I try to describe the thoughts and feelings I was experiencing==

I gathered my courage and went into the place and theres 6 or 7 people in the bar (it’s a Monday) most of whom are sitting at a table in a corner. I walk to the bar and the whole “OH MY GOD THEIR EYES ARE ON ME!!!” mantra is pounding in my head. I order a beer from the beautiful, spirited girl working the bar and my voice comes out muted and fragmented which kick starts the awkwardness that I bring to almost every moment of social interaction that have. I make myself stay at the bar. I chain-smoke outside with the 6 or 7 people and none of them get to know me, nor I them. Communication throughout the whole group (were all on the porch smoking) has deteriorated to the lowest common denominator, a cynical gripe fest, which I know I have brought upon the group with my presence. These are all friends of each other that have a great report usually. They are all nice to me, and they all open up little bits of themselves with little stories or funny anecdotes about bands. I bring so many awkward silences, its like I invented them. I try using my empathy training from my most recent self help book. Nothing gets through. There are too many eyes and ears around, how can I communicate with someone when I have to pay attention to all of this. Whatever personality I possess is suppressed completely, I seem so prepared and generic. Somebody will say something, the group chuckles, but my hearing is dulled and I can’t catch anything that is being said unless I focus completely and it is coming from right in front of me. I get slow and basically retarded; I don’t get things until very late. I seem uninterested and arrogant because my reactions are all stock and small because nothing completely registers. There’s too much stimuli and my mind is getting more and more distressed and excited, while the group dynamic is getting so dull that people are leaving to go watch t.v. or nap (and some of these people are vegan/biking/never watch tv types of people). And times that I do get in (At the most) a 3-way, semi-literate, brief conversation; the moment attention is diverted for even a brief second to someone coming or going or something, I freeze in sheer terror of what to do or say. Say im somehow telling a story to two people and a friend sits down next to us, I just stop, done, finito. That person feels the most alienated feeling ever, “ummm sorry I interrupted!” (I have had that exact thing happen many times). So eventually I made a sudden and awkward exit. Sat up and said “Well, it was nice to meet all of you” in a weird screechy way and walked past them all very quickly not looking back. They responded with barely audible grunts and “yeahs”, seeming relieved that this very boring, obtrusive person has gone.

That is one day for me, and basically every day that I interact with anyone is like that. I have to have some sort of social anxiety, just don’t know what kind. I also think im a self-loathing narcissist. I notice this all, and I just want to change.
 

planemo

Well-known member
Firstly let me say that you are not a narcissist coz in order to qualify to be one you wouldn't recognize any flaws in your behaviour. It's always others who are wrong and never yourself. You are certainly not that way.

From what I read in the rest of your post, I guess you do seem to go through what most of us go through too. Whenever I enter a room, the "everyone's eyes are on me" mantra happens as well. And I think most of us can relate to your everyday struggles.

Psychotherapy may help, and it may enlighten you further on any other possible conditions you may not know of now. So it may be worth trying it.

Certainly amongst people like us, you don't have to feel like a weirdo. Coz we all understand the difficulties you experience.
 

dmcleod

Member
Thank you for replying! I do hope I can start posting here and feel completely ok with speaking (or typing) what im feeling.

another thing, I use the "had too much to drink" excuse anytime I disappear from anyplace with people, which happens almost every time I try to go out, and Ive lost alot of friends that way. Someone on another forum told me that the "awkward silences" in the group had nothing to do with my because they were already friends so it was them. But I really think that whenever im in a group I tend to bring the group dynamic down by just being mopey and never getting past the lowest common denominator of "small talk", never getting into deeper issues.

Its like if a lively conversation starts to happen, it will start building steam until I say something, which inevitably is a downer, or left-field, or something that just causes any conversation to deteriorate. I obviously think about all this way too much in any social situation (1on1 or group)

Thanks again, its very nice to finally say these things somewhere
 

Luthien

Well-known member
That sounds so excruciating! I could never handle large groups of people, even when I was young. I was that girl who went to the school dances and didn't know how to dance and no boys liked me so I hid under the bleachers. I always feel so awkward at parties, I've really just tried to avoid them. But I was homeless for many years so I ended up at a lot of parties when I didn't want to be. My personal tactic was to smoke... A LOT. I would sit on the porch or where ever and just smoke the whole time, totally avoiding the crowd and maybe talk to one person, though for me one on one is a lot easier. I also used to bring my sketch pad and just sit and draw. This was nice because I didn't feel so awkward (I feel a lot more anxious when I don't have something to DO) and then no one really talked to me. The best thing I've found to deal with parties and shows is to work them. I like to find a job, like serving drinks or whatever. That gives me a purpose and I don't feel so stupid and out of place.

About your diagnosis? I don't know what to tell you, I'm no doctor and I don't know if I've even been "diagnosed". But personally, I don't think it matters WHAT you have, as long as you're getting help. It does matter if you want to take pills, but if you want therapy and alternative treatments, what ever works, works. My naturopath doesn't tell me a diagnosis and she didn't even tell me what my remedy was for like a year! She did this because she knew I would obsessively try to self medicate whenever **** was bad (before I saw her I was taking like a million different herbs and tinctures) I don't really know what she's giving me but it's incredible and totally working. So for me, I don't care what the name of my problem is, I just want to work through it.
 

dmcleod

Member
Yeah I completely agree that the diagnosis is secondary to just improving yourself overall. Its weird because over the years whatever I have had sort of morphed into something else. I used to be more comfortable in crowds because I could be more anonymous and not have to invest myself much in any one person. But now I think I am in such need to connect with someone that it has switched, and now im a lot more comfortable 1on1... At least I know it changes:cool:
 

Luthien

Well-known member
Yeah I completely agree that the diagnosis is secondary to just improving yourself overall. Its weird because over the years whatever I have had sort of morphed into something else. I used to be more comfortable in crowds because I could be more anonymous and not have to invest myself much in any one person. But now I think I am in such need to connect with someone that it has switched, and now im a lot more comfortable 1on1... At least I know it changes:cool:

I know what you mean! I've always been really outgoing, but the past few years I just can't handle small talk and stupid pointless conversation. A few years ago I had a mini break down and I couldn't talk to anyone and went and hid at my mom's house. When I started coming out again, I would go and give Tarot readings at the coffee shop in town. It was really nice because I could just delve right into the deep conversation, and skip all the silly pleasantries.
 

dmcleod

Member
I would go and give Tarot readings at the coffee shop in town. It was really nice because I could just delve right into the deep conversation, and skip all the silly pleasantries.

That is about the greatest way I have ever heard to skip small talk. Its like: "Nice to meet you, you have this long to live" haha

One problem that I have is that inside I am insanely goofy and weird, yet my anxiety makes me keep that bottled up. So I have been making really intense music where I yell and make loud, strange noises a lot. I hope that when I can get a live show (if I show up) it will get all that pent up randomness in me out for everyone to see before I have to actually talk to people
 

Luthien

Well-known member
Oh that's so awesome!!! I try to make music but it's so hard for me. So much of my anxiety is tied into my fear of not being good enough and I'm a very harsh judge of myself. When it comes to music, I used to hang out with all these amazing musicians all the time (my boyfriend is one of them) and I always felt like I was nothing in comparison. Plus I haven't been playing for that long. I do make some music, but it's so hard to do without the constant inner dialogue about how good or bad it is. But I am a damn good visual artist, at least I can say that.

I feel like I need to get all my sh** figured out and be totally empowered before I can see people again. I want to be that crazy girl at your show dancing like she's the only one in the room, because I'm a weirdo, too and I need to learn to embrace it!
 
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