The controversy of antidepressant use

Jake123

Banned
People who think that exercising is better than using drugs/meds are wrong. Exercising releases endorphins which from latin literally means "the Morphine within", endorphins are just another DRUG!

The body is just a big sac of chemicals, so it would make logical sense to control chemicals with other chemicals.

I don't know why people think exercising makes you feel better, I do it all the fukkin time and I still feel like shit before, during, and after doing it :)
 

Jake123

Banned
lol. I feel like shit during my workout, unless I am doing yoga, but I feel just fine afterwards. I just don't understand what people are talking about when they talk about the "rush" they feel during their workout.

I guess for me it's because I know I workout constantly because of my insecurities. More often than not I end up crying while doing it especially if I look in the mirror. I don't feel any relief it's just something I have to do and when I'm done I still feel bad.
 

Enialis227

Well-known member
Seriously? Did you actually read what I said?



Normal? By serious problems, you mean anxiety and depression right that seriously disrupts your life? Which includes almost everyone as some point in their life. That's a lot of 'abnormal' brains. Sheesh there's the arrogance of human thinking again. Always thinking or believing we can define normal and be able to fix it directly.



Congratulations, I'm not perfect and I don't claim to be :) did I miss a comma or period somewhere in there as well? It always shows your true character when you have to stoop to such levels.

Yeah, I did read what you said, and it amounted to not trying to mess with the so called balance of human brains because the mind is already balancing itself. Under this idea, the use of medication is unnecessary. If I misunderstood you, please clarify.

And by normal, I mean someone who does not have repeated psychological disruptions throughout their life. Are you saying that there is no standard for a correctly functioning brain?

And congratulations for stooping to my level with your last comment. :D

Also, on another note, second guessing your doctor is generally a bad idea; Part of their job is to weigh the risks of side-effects against attempting to fix a problem.
 

cosmosis

Well-known member
Yeah, I did read what you said, and it amounted to not trying to mess with the so called balance of human brains because the mind is already balancing itself. Under this idea, the use of medication is unnecessary. If I misunderstood you, please clarify.

And by normal, I mean someone who does not have repeated psychological disruptions throughout their life. Are you saying that there is no standard for a correctly functioning brain?

And congratulations for stooping to my level with your last comment. :D

Also, on another note, second guessing your doctor is generally a bad idea; Part of their job is to weigh the risks of side-effects against attempting to fix a problem.

Not all that bad:) And has nothing to do with positive thinking your way to replace medicine. Just a realization of what medication really is. Also the danger of trying to fix the symptom, when the symptom itself is usually just a counter balance. Like for example being overweight is a symptom of something else (eating). You can take a pill to fix that symptom, but you mess up alot more things in your body. Getting fat is just your body's way of dealing with alot of food...Depresion and anxiety is your bodys way of dealing with alot of emotions.

By your definition of abnormal, a huge chunk of people are still abnormal. Many have repeated psychological disruptions throughout their life. It doesn't mean we were all born with flawed brains that require drugs (even doctors admit that they don't really know exactlly how they work). 4 billion years of evolution is a little more refined than that. The more likely problem is the sudden change in our recent environment on our brains, not that we all suddenly woke up with broken brains.

And I agree with Noca, always do your own research. Why wouldn't you? Doctors are way overworked and sadly too connected with insurance and drug companies to make truly unbiased decisions on your behalf.
 

Noca

Banned
Not all that bad:) And has nothing to do with positive thinking your way to replace medicine. Just a realization of what medication really is. Also the danger of trying to fix the symptom, when the symptom itself is usually just a counter balance. Like for example being overweight is a symptom of something else (eating). You can take a pill to fix that symptom, but you mess up alot more things in your body. Getting fat is just your body's way of dealing with alot of food...Depresion and anxiety is your bodys way of dealing with alot of emotions.

By your definition of abnormal, a huge chunk of people are still abnormal. Many have repeated psychological disruptions throughout their life. It doesn't mean we were all born with flawed brains that require drugs (even doctors admit that they don't really know exactlly how they work). 4 billion years of evolution is a little more refined than that. The more likely problem is the sudden change in our recent environment on our brains, not that we all suddenly woke up with broken brains.

And I agree with Noca, always do your own research. Why wouldn't you? Doctors are way overworked and sadly too connected with insurance and drug companies to make truly unbiased decisions on your behalf.

The only problem with doing your own research is many MANY make the mistake of thinking they will get ALL or MOST of the POSSIBLE side effects, when in reality they may only get few to no side effects whatsoever.
 

Mikefly

Well-known member
Anti depressants aren't useless and lexapro actually works for me , i also take clonazapam and they both work great , no controvery here. If there's any controversy that's someone else's issue.
 

Enialis227

Well-known member
Not all that bad:) And has nothing to do with positive thinking your way to replace medicine. Just a realization of what medication really is. Also the danger of trying to fix the symptom, when the symptom itself is usually just a counter balance. Like for example being overweight is a symptom of something else (eating). You can take a pill to fix that symptom, but you mess up alot more things in your body. Getting fat is just your body's way of dealing with alot of food...Depresion and anxiety is your bodys way of dealing with alot of emotions.

By your definition of abnormal, a huge chunk of people are still abnormal. Many have repeated psychological disruptions throughout their life. It doesn't mean we were all born with flawed brains that require drugs (even doctors admit that they don't really know exactlly how they work). 4 billion years of evolution is a little more refined than that. The more likely problem is the sudden change in our recent environment on our brains, not that we all suddenly woke up with broken brains.

And I agree with Noca, always do your own research. Why wouldn't you? Doctors are way overworked and sadly too connected with insurance and drug companies to make truly unbiased decisions on your behalf.

I have a better idea of what you're saying now. Sorry about my attitude; medications have given me a life I never knew I could have, and I have a tendency to respond aggressively to people who talk against them.

Now, I get where you're coming from, but sometimes you must treat the symptoms of something before you can fix the underlying problem. Depression can keep you from acting in a beneficial way and halt you're progress in life. Treating the depression would be a good way to start fixing things.

Also, about doctors; even if they are somewhat biased about treatment via medication, it must still be understood that they still know more about it than their patients (unless they also happen to have a medical degree). Doing research is fine, but don't completely second guess an experts diagnosis and treatment. Just ask him whatever you need to know.
 

Noca

Banned
I have a better idea of what you're saying now. Sorry about my attitude; medications have given me a life I never knew I could have, and I have a tendency to respond aggressively to people who talk against them.

Now, I get where you're coming from, but sometimes you must treat the symptoms of something before you can fix the underlying problem. Depression can keep you from acting in a beneficial way and halt you're progress in life. Treating the depression would be a good way to start fixing things.

Also, about doctors; even if they are somewhat biased about treatment via medication, it must still be understood that they still know more about it than their patients (unless they also happen to have a medical degree). Doing research is fine, but don't completely second guess an experts diagnosis and treatment. Just ask him whatever you need to know.

Doctors really only have 2 things that a reasonably informed patient (such as myself) doesnt have. A) unbiased view and opinion B) the ability to run laboratory tests.

For instance, I asked my doctor for Zofran the other day and he had to open his CPS book (drug dictionary) to find out what it was. I already knew a lot about it and was clearly more informed than the doctor (plus i got my own CPS book).

Lesson is, Doctors are NOT gods.
 

Enialis227

Well-known member
Doctors really only have 2 things that a reasonably informed patient (such as myself) doesnt have. A) unbiased view and opinion B) the ability to run laboratory tests.
.

No, they have three things a reasonably informed patient doesn't have: A) unbiased view and opinion, B) the ability to run laboratory tests, and C) a medical degree.
 

Emma

Well-known member
A few years ago, I started getting really bad stomach pains, and the doctor figured it was me just being depressed that was causing it, so he gave me anti depressants and told me they were pain killers to see if they worked for me.

They didn't work, and I was pissed off when I realised...and I just keep my mouth shut and put up with it.:confused:
 
Well the Antidepressants I was put on definetely worked for me. Without them I would not have been able to go on to tackle CBT.
From my experience, if it weren't for Andidepressants helping in tandum with other things, I would not be here right now:)
 

yomisma19

Member
In my opinion (just my experience) antidepressants are not the solution. I think if you get depressed, there are causes, and we would have to look for this causes and try to be aware what is our problem. the pills can just HELP to get better, but are not usually the solution.
In my case, i have had 4 relapses, i'm taking pills (too much..) but I know it is not enought.
 

VioletTears

Well-known member
Antidepressants were hell for me. They made me worse rather than better. Eventually we realized that I was being treated for the wrong disorder. What looked mostly like depression and anxiety was actually bipolar. Now that I'm properly medicated (with an anti-psychotic, actually) I'm doing really well. It was like a miracle drug for me. I think it's all about finding the right medication for a given person. A given drug could save one person's life, have no effect on another, and cost a third person their life. I hardly find it surprising that they don't appear effective in studies because any given drug ISN'T effective for many people, but that doesn't mean that they aren't life savers for SOME people. Unfortunately it's a grueling process trying to find the right one.
 
Top