Hyper-Hydro
Well-known member
I just want to warn everyone about the ESFB forum, because I think Ed is the major problem. The place is flooded with people who don´t have HH, but feel it´s their little off-topic chatting nest, as well as socalled trolls who apparently operate with Ed´s blessing. If you come in with controversial topics, ie getting the off-topic harrassment in focus, you will be in Ed´s negative focus, which makes you wonder about the entire site. I think maybe some major pharmaceutical companies have their dicks so far up ESFB Ed, as to make posting in that forum a total waste of your time.
I´m going to post some of my original posts from the ESFB forum in here, to see if they will cause the same negative reaction as I got inthere. I was hoping to find people who used iontophoresis devices effectively and join our collective knowledge, to march forward out of the drugstore nightmare, which seems to be the general topic in ESFB. I was expelled from the ESFB for being the person I am, and I kept the threads on record. So if you want to see who really are making trouble at ESFB I can post the original threads, which got me kicked out of there. Now I want everybody to understand that getting out of ESFB was a good thing for me. I could never dream of posting there again.
I posted some of this material inhere earlier, but since it´s been completely updated many times since then, forgive me if some parts seem like something you think I already said once. This is my last essential post in ESFB:
Dance Contest, Tinsel Town Rebellion Band. (Frank Zappa, 2LP, Barking Pumpkin PW2 37336, May 11, 1981)
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 695
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: This forum needs help. (from the members) Reply with quote
Dear Members of the forum
Last sunday I was given an ultimatum from Ed " to clear out all of my posts that don´t follow the membership agreement", or my membership will be cancelled.
To this I would like to add, that from day one since I returned to the forum, posting about iontophoresis, and against the use of drugs to subdue HH, I have been subjected to hostile abuse in the forum by socalled "trolls" I don´t recall accepting a membership agreement that I have to tolerate that without having the possibility to counter act. From my point of view, any post I made that might look as if it "doesn´t follow the membership agreement" Is a result of Ed´s own passivity in dealing with these abusive people, who often if not always don´t even have HH, and only come here to aggravate other people for some strange reason, or maybe because they´re bored with their own lives. I make provocative posts from time to time, which may not be politically correct, in order to get very relevant discussions started, that is true, but the last time I looked in the dictionary FAT is a three letter word, and not a FOUR LETTER WORD. I don´t recall having accepted any membership rule about having to be politically correct.
I have been assaulted with every four letter word in the book plus misc ridiculous accusations of having numerous identities on the board promoting commercial interests of my own which are nonexistent. On top of that I have been branded as a racist and a child corruptor also. This has been going on for so long without any interest from Ed. although I have complained to them about it several times. I was puzzled about Ed´s passivity and indeed some other members have messaged me privately about it, even terming them as " Ed´s message trolls" thereby indicating that Ed even condoned of the practise or in fact actually instigated it. I´m not saying I believe that. It´s just an indication that other people also were wondering about Ed´s passivity. When I began realizing nothing would be done about it, I changed my tactics to outmanouvering the abusers and off topics-posters verbally, and the success of that has to be seen in liu of the fact that english is only my third language. I don´t have the delicacy of tounge in the in-bread british, so it may be, and some of that is accidental, but I usually speak very directly about things also, and I don´t mind saying that it has been a pleasure to expose the ineptcy of many an abuser, troll or off-topic poster. Direct response is my mentality. I don´t need a moderator to tell me what I can say or not. I basically believe in the freedom of speach, so I can´t even be upset by the trolls, although I agree they are a waste of time.
I´d like to quote my great american idol Frank Zappa again a couple of times:
Frank Zappa wrote:
Americans like to talk about (or be told about) Democracy but, when put to
the test, usually find it to be an 'inconvenience.'
The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact
mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows.
I'm not a man for all seasons but I'm doing something right.
There is no such thing as a dirty word. Nor is there a word so powerful,
that it's going to send the listener to the lake of fire upon hearing it.
Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people
think you are?
A drug is not bad. A drug is a chemical compound. The problem comes
in when people who take drugs treat them like a licence to behave
like an a******.
This is a really nice place. Don't f*** it up.
Always get a second opinion.
(His personal physician did not diagnose prostate cancer
before it was too advanced to treat with any success.)
I came back to the forum after being away for a number of years. When I was here first, I was primarily looking for input about ETS. There were sporadical posts about iontophoresis and aluminum chloride solutions, but the general tone was towards ETS if you wanted to do anything serious about your HH. The ionto posts were primarily about Drionics and Fischer. Then when I returned to the forum several years later, I discovered that it was much the same situation regarding the ionto-posts. It was the same questions posted, and much the same answers given. No good information posted really, with one major exception PINKER. Since in the mean time being away from here, I had my own ETS failing, and still being so tormented by HH, I decided to start investigating in as much information I could find about ionto devices and finally on the accumulated evidence decide which one I would buy as one last resort to solve my HH problem. The results of that ongoing research I have been posting, but to my great surprise, very few members have contributed anything whatsoever other than confusion and misunderstanding.
At the same time, I have seen the discussions again and again returning to advocating dangerous drugs apparently being prescribed wantonly to even 16 year old kids, plus warm recommendations for high priced botox treatments, and I decided to go against that, because from my point of view that can only be in the interest of the pharceutical companies, whom I think are a pack of vultures.
Since it´s my argument that Ed´s own passivity is the primary cause for any number of irrelevant abusive posts and threads I may be involved in, I have decided not to comply with their request, because I believe it´s better for everyone to be able to read what people actually said. Also I can´t be bothered to review all my posts for any material somebody might think is politically incorrect in their opinion. It´s got to be possible to have a lively conversation going using everyday real words, without having to worry if this and that sensitive person might read it and feel sad about it. It´s not a refuge for the feeble mind. It´s a discussion forum. In real discussions worth paying any attention to, people of very differents minds argue passionately. I believe we should be able to do without moderators. In practise however it´s not functioning as long as Ed is not making any progressive reforms. I don´t think Ed will ever change anything inhere whatsoever, and thus I will be gone from here by friday, but it won´t be any great loss for me, since I have achieved dry hands and feet, and I will be going on with seeking HH and ionto-info and merely posting it elsewhere. Untill friday ofcouse I will be around, and if anybody found my info about the ionto-devices interesting, I recommend that you copy it now, before Ed deletes it. I´d like to thank the members I have been communicating with in cordial, friendly and informative terms.
From: Ed
To: hyper_hydro
Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:05 pm
Subject: Warning Quote message
Hello,
We have received many complaints about your behavior in the Excessive Sweating forum. I will give you until friday august 18 to clear all of your posts
that don't follow the membership agreement.
If you fail to comply with the regulations of the forum, your membership will be canceled.
Thank you for your collaboration,
Editor
ESFB Channel
www.esfbchannel.com
From: hyper_hydro
To: Ed
Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: Warning
Thanks Ed
I asked you several times to be helpful with the many people who hang around in the forum only to post off topic and harrass other members, but you did nothing whatsoever to deal with them. If you believe any particular post of mine to be transgressing any of your rules, I did not set out to do so on purpose, and you will have to point the particular post out for me. If I find there´s a rule I crossed I will gladly delete the post, if you can give me that possibility, but I´m not going to edit a text to leave it meaningless. I don´t intend to break anymore rules if you consider I have done so, but I won´t put up with being harrassed either, while nobody are doing anything about it. The amount of gross abuse I had to take from trolls and off topic posters I consider provocation enough to lash back at them. I can sense you´re probably not going to accept anything I say, so I will most likely be gone from your forum by friday, since you´re obviously not going to change anything inhere, it´s apparently in your interest to let the drug pushers and trolls run your forum as they like.
_________________
Frank Zappa wrote:
And now....you are going to dance...like you've never danced before!
I´m going to post some of my original posts from the ESFB forum in here, to see if they will cause the same negative reaction as I got inthere. I was hoping to find people who used iontophoresis devices effectively and join our collective knowledge, to march forward out of the drugstore nightmare, which seems to be the general topic in ESFB. I was expelled from the ESFB for being the person I am, and I kept the threads on record. So if you want to see who really are making trouble at ESFB I can post the original threads, which got me kicked out of there. Now I want everybody to understand that getting out of ESFB was a good thing for me. I could never dream of posting there again.
I posted some of this material inhere earlier, but since it´s been completely updated many times since then, forgive me if some parts seem like something you think I already said once. This is my last essential post in ESFB:
Dance Contest, Tinsel Town Rebellion Band. (Frank Zappa, 2LP, Barking Pumpkin PW2 37336, May 11, 1981)
Joined: 02 May 2006
Posts: 695
Location: Copenhagen, Denmark
PostPosted: Mon Aug 14, 2006 10:58 pm Post subject: This forum needs help. (from the members) Reply with quote
Dear Members of the forum
Last sunday I was given an ultimatum from Ed " to clear out all of my posts that don´t follow the membership agreement", or my membership will be cancelled.
To this I would like to add, that from day one since I returned to the forum, posting about iontophoresis, and against the use of drugs to subdue HH, I have been subjected to hostile abuse in the forum by socalled "trolls" I don´t recall accepting a membership agreement that I have to tolerate that without having the possibility to counter act. From my point of view, any post I made that might look as if it "doesn´t follow the membership agreement" Is a result of Ed´s own passivity in dealing with these abusive people, who often if not always don´t even have HH, and only come here to aggravate other people for some strange reason, or maybe because they´re bored with their own lives. I make provocative posts from time to time, which may not be politically correct, in order to get very relevant discussions started, that is true, but the last time I looked in the dictionary FAT is a three letter word, and not a FOUR LETTER WORD. I don´t recall having accepted any membership rule about having to be politically correct.
I have been assaulted with every four letter word in the book plus misc ridiculous accusations of having numerous identities on the board promoting commercial interests of my own which are nonexistent. On top of that I have been branded as a racist and a child corruptor also. This has been going on for so long without any interest from Ed. although I have complained to them about it several times. I was puzzled about Ed´s passivity and indeed some other members have messaged me privately about it, even terming them as " Ed´s message trolls" thereby indicating that Ed even condoned of the practise or in fact actually instigated it. I´m not saying I believe that. It´s just an indication that other people also were wondering about Ed´s passivity. When I began realizing nothing would be done about it, I changed my tactics to outmanouvering the abusers and off topics-posters verbally, and the success of that has to be seen in liu of the fact that english is only my third language. I don´t have the delicacy of tounge in the in-bread british, so it may be, and some of that is accidental, but I usually speak very directly about things also, and I don´t mind saying that it has been a pleasure to expose the ineptcy of many an abuser, troll or off-topic poster. Direct response is my mentality. I don´t need a moderator to tell me what I can say or not. I basically believe in the freedom of speach, so I can´t even be upset by the trolls, although I agree they are a waste of time.
I´d like to quote my great american idol Frank Zappa again a couple of times:
Frank Zappa wrote:
Americans like to talk about (or be told about) Democracy but, when put to
the test, usually find it to be an 'inconvenience.'
The computer can't tell you the emotional story. It can give you the exact
mathematical design, but what's missing is the eyebrows.
I'm not a man for all seasons but I'm doing something right.
There is no such thing as a dirty word. Nor is there a word so powerful,
that it's going to send the listener to the lake of fire upon hearing it.
Why do you necessarily have to be wrong just because a few million people
think you are?
A drug is not bad. A drug is a chemical compound. The problem comes
in when people who take drugs treat them like a licence to behave
like an a******.
This is a really nice place. Don't f*** it up.
Always get a second opinion.
(His personal physician did not diagnose prostate cancer
before it was too advanced to treat with any success.)
I came back to the forum after being away for a number of years. When I was here first, I was primarily looking for input about ETS. There were sporadical posts about iontophoresis and aluminum chloride solutions, but the general tone was towards ETS if you wanted to do anything serious about your HH. The ionto posts were primarily about Drionics and Fischer. Then when I returned to the forum several years later, I discovered that it was much the same situation regarding the ionto-posts. It was the same questions posted, and much the same answers given. No good information posted really, with one major exception PINKER. Since in the mean time being away from here, I had my own ETS failing, and still being so tormented by HH, I decided to start investigating in as much information I could find about ionto devices and finally on the accumulated evidence decide which one I would buy as one last resort to solve my HH problem. The results of that ongoing research I have been posting, but to my great surprise, very few members have contributed anything whatsoever other than confusion and misunderstanding.
At the same time, I have seen the discussions again and again returning to advocating dangerous drugs apparently being prescribed wantonly to even 16 year old kids, plus warm recommendations for high priced botox treatments, and I decided to go against that, because from my point of view that can only be in the interest of the pharceutical companies, whom I think are a pack of vultures.
Since it´s my argument that Ed´s own passivity is the primary cause for any number of irrelevant abusive posts and threads I may be involved in, I have decided not to comply with their request, because I believe it´s better for everyone to be able to read what people actually said. Also I can´t be bothered to review all my posts for any material somebody might think is politically incorrect in their opinion. It´s got to be possible to have a lively conversation going using everyday real words, without having to worry if this and that sensitive person might read it and feel sad about it. It´s not a refuge for the feeble mind. It´s a discussion forum. In real discussions worth paying any attention to, people of very differents minds argue passionately. I believe we should be able to do without moderators. In practise however it´s not functioning as long as Ed is not making any progressive reforms. I don´t think Ed will ever change anything inhere whatsoever, and thus I will be gone from here by friday, but it won´t be any great loss for me, since I have achieved dry hands and feet, and I will be going on with seeking HH and ionto-info and merely posting it elsewhere. Untill friday ofcouse I will be around, and if anybody found my info about the ionto-devices interesting, I recommend that you copy it now, before Ed deletes it. I´d like to thank the members I have been communicating with in cordial, friendly and informative terms.
From: Ed
To: hyper_hydro
Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 6:05 pm
Subject: Warning Quote message
Hello,
We have received many complaints about your behavior in the Excessive Sweating forum. I will give you until friday august 18 to clear all of your posts
that don't follow the membership agreement.
If you fail to comply with the regulations of the forum, your membership will be canceled.
Thank you for your collaboration,
Editor
ESFB Channel
www.esfbchannel.com
From: hyper_hydro
To: Ed
Posted: Sun Aug 13, 2006 9:02 pm
Subject: Re: Warning
Thanks Ed
I asked you several times to be helpful with the many people who hang around in the forum only to post off topic and harrass other members, but you did nothing whatsoever to deal with them. If you believe any particular post of mine to be transgressing any of your rules, I did not set out to do so on purpose, and you will have to point the particular post out for me. If I find there´s a rule I crossed I will gladly delete the post, if you can give me that possibility, but I´m not going to edit a text to leave it meaningless. I don´t intend to break anymore rules if you consider I have done so, but I won´t put up with being harrassed either, while nobody are doing anything about it. The amount of gross abuse I had to take from trolls and off topic posters I consider provocation enough to lash back at them. I can sense you´re probably not going to accept anything I say, so I will most likely be gone from your forum by friday, since you´re obviously not going to change anything inhere, it´s apparently in your interest to let the drug pushers and trolls run your forum as they like.
_________________
Frank Zappa wrote:
And now....you are going to dance...like you've never danced before!