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Old 04-30-2013
 

Yes, I had to buy 2 trays at the local big box store and some aluminum grill racks to put inside them. I purchased aligatior clips that attach to the leads that come with the machine.
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Old 04-30-2013
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Sorry for all the questions - so basically like a branded ionto machine, in the trays, you put your hand/foot on top of a rack - and the rack is on top of the metal electrode which comes with the machine, is that how it works?

On my old ionto machine the hand/foot sat on a plastic mesh, which was on top of the metal plate to which the wires connected to - is it similar to that?
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Old 04-30-2013
 

The Galvanic Stimulator looks like a portable TENS unit that people use for physical therapy/pain treatments. High Voltage Galvanic stimulation is used for many different things. It can be used for pain, administering medication through the skin, and HH. What makes galvanic different than a TENS unit is that it uses Direct Current compared to Alternating Current. The Ultra G can use a 9volt battery or an adapter that plugs into the wall. Technically, the machines most of us use to treat HH are Galvanic units and they can be used for other purposes than just for treating HH.

The unit I have Has way more current than that of the Fisher unit. With the Ultra G I can still get more than adequate current when utilizing soft water, where as the Fischer unit would not work as well. The unit comes with leads that are meant to be attached to those sticky current conducting pads that they use at a physical therapy office. All I did was to find alligator clips where I am able to plug the leads into.

Since the unit is not marketed strictly for HH, it does not come with trays. I made my own trays so by finding plastic trays used for kitchen drawer items. My hand and feet fit perfectly in them. Then I got some aluminum disposable grill toppers and I cut them to size for each tray. Then I use a cotton wash cloth on top of that. I use a total of one quart or liter of water between the two trays. The alligator clips connect to the aluminum grill toppers. When it comes to trays, one can just as easily use aluminum pie trays.

dezza, so the short answer is that my trays are similar to your old ones.
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Old 05-01-2013
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Cheers Sprawling for your responses, I know I've asked a lot of questions and I appreciate the time and effort in you answering!

As you say yours comes with a 9v battery I'll probably order the same model, even though there are ones slightly cheaper. As I'll be using it in the UK, not too sure if others with a US plug will prove problematic.

Hope it yields better results than my old Idrostar (non-pulsed) unit
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Old 05-01-2013
 

From what I know of the Irdostar, this unit should provide better current.
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Old 05-01-2013
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That's good, although due to the pain I didn't really use a very high current with the idrostar, especially on the hands.
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Old 05-02-2013
 

I'm a bit curious. When ionto users talk about "pain" is this a burning pain? Sharp pain? I guess I'm left wondering what kind of pain is it and why is it that I haven't experienced it... I have felt some stinging when I have open cuts... Is it similar to that? I've experienced botox and can tell you the pain of that is immeasureably more than anything I have felt doing ionto...

And thanks Sprawling - appreciate you sharing your expertise...
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Old 05-02-2013
 

More like the stinging pain from open wounds or the feeling of electricity. Everyone experiences pain a little differently.

The higher current is useful in soft water. With soft water we don't always get the current we need for ionto. That's why some people add salt or baking soda. I find that when using the Ultra G that it seems to work through all types of water.
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Old 07-03-2013
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Hi Sprawling, if you still read this thread I just had a couple more questions about how you use the machine.

I've just received mine after ordering one - I see one of the wires has two connectors (I assume your unit is the same). If so, do you connect both connectors via a crocodile clip to one of the pans, or just one of the connectors?

Also, do your crocodile clips perfectly fit the connectors on the wires? I bought some clips but realised they're the wrong sort - so just wanted to see if you bought any sort of special size.

Thanks for any help again.
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Old 07-04-2013
 

The ultra G can take 3 leads. You will just use the one with the red and black leads. Plug the one with both the red and black leads into the top rt side of the machine. I have mine set at 80Hz. The machine is automatically pulsed. set the mode button to continuous. Rate is set at 80 Hz.

Your alligator clips are attached to the end of the leads. The ones I'm using allow the red and black leads to slide directly into the clips.

Red goes in your hand tray. I use black in my foot tray. I do half hour for the rt hnd and foot. 1/2 hour for the other hand and foot. Do this every day till you start feeling dryness. Usually will take 7-10 on average.

Dezza, you are the 2nd person this week to try out this unit. Keep us informed on your results.
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Old 07-04-2013
 

Hey guys - it's interesting to read that you ionto every day, does the treatment schedule not work for you? Or do you find daily works better?
I use it, though it takes longer to start getting dry, but once I am dry I can go 2, 3 or even 4 weeks between zaps (Well, usually. Sadly this year seems to be one of those ones where ionto isn't working so well)
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Old 07-06-2013
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The ultra G can take 3 leads. You will just use the one with the red and black leads. Plug the one with both the red and black leads into the top rt side of the machine. I have mine set at 80Hz. The machine is automatically pulsed. set the mode button to continuous. Rate is set at 80 Hz.

Your alligator clips are attached to the end of the leads. The ones I'm using allow the red and black leads to slide directly into the clips.

Red goes in your hand tray. I use black in my foot tray. I do half hour for the rt hnd and foot. 1/2 hour for the other hand and foot. Do this every day till you start feeling dryness. Usually will take 7-10 on average.

Dezza, you are the 2nd person this week to try out this unit. Keep us informed on your results.
Thanks again Sprawling for the guidance, I'll update on progress once the crocodile clips have arrived and I get started with the treatment.
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Old 07-06-2013
 

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Hey guys - it's interesting to read that you ionto every day, does the treatment schedule not work for you? Or do you find daily works better?
I use it, though it takes longer to start getting dry, but once I am dry I can go 2, 3 or even 4 weeks between zaps (Well, usually. Sadly this year seems to be one of those ones where ionto isn't working so well)
I used to be able to go up till 12 days without treatment. Now I rotate between my rt and left side (rt hand, left foot - Left hand, rt foot) every 3-4 days. So in every given cycle I either go 1-2 days without ionto. Ionto treatment varies with each individual and over time treatment schedules might need to be altered.
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Old 07-08-2013
 

Hey guys, I really dont know much about Ionto, Ive never tried it but my issue is I have post ETS compensatory sweating from the chest down to the knees. Im seriously considering buying an Ionto machine to attempt to use on my stomach and back. Recently someone else posted a link to this study from Europe where they had success with app. a 40% reduction in trunk sweating after using Ionto with special electrodes on the trunk: In the Search for the Treatment of Compensatory Sweating
I was wondering if you guys know anything about this? do you know anyone who has tried it? which machine should I get and which pads or electrodes? thanks so much !
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Old 07-08-2013
 

"IF" it's going to work, you may want to go with pulsed current due to it's minimal pain factor. The problem I see is what kind of pads you'll be using. Since we are doing primarily water ionto I'm not sure how you'll go about attaching wet pads to the areas in question.
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Old 07-08-2013
 

right, Ill have to investigate how they did it in the trials. the info they gave was minimal
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Old 07-19-2013
 

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"IF" it's going to work, you may want to go with pulsed current due to it's minimal pain factor. The problem I see is what kind of pads you'll be using. Since we are doing primarily water ionto I'm not sure how you'll go about attaching wet pads to the areas in question.
Hi!

Is the GALVANIC (R.A 1) includ the pulsed current? I would like to buy it, but my last machine ("DRIONIC") caused me pain and even burn...

I really like to get some advice for a good machine...

thank you,
Lior
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Old 07-19-2013
 

A good pulsed machine doesn't mean expensive. Here's what I've been using for the past couple of years. It's strictly a pulsed machine.

Ultra-G Digital Galvanic Stimulator,, Ultra-G, Medical Supplies, Electrotherapy, Muscle Stimulators

Check around for the best possible price. You may be able to find this machine for $150. Prices vary.

Digital High Voltage Pulsed Galvanic Stimulator has a twin peaked monophasic waveform with fixed interpulse Interval of 100us
Each pulse is much shorter in duration (5us) and can achieve much higher voltage than conventional stimulator
Digital High Volt Pulsed Galvanic Stimulator
Power: 9V battery or AC Adaptor
Output: Single Channel. Two active outputs and one dispersive return. Where active 1 and dispesive located on the output of CH1 the active 2 located on the output of CH2
Output Voltage Adjustable 0-350 Volts maximum (500 ohm load)
Wave Form: Twin peaked monophasic waveform with fixed interpulse interval of 100u
Pulse Rate: 1z-120Hz (adjustable) 1Hz/step
Pulse Duration: 5 uS
Interpulse Interval: 100 us
Modes: Continuous Alternating
1 Year Manufacturer Warranty System
Includes: Stimulator Lead Wires 4 Self-Stick Hypoallergenic Disposable Electrodes 9V Battery and AC Adapter Hard Plastic Carrying Case & Instruction Booklet
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Old 07-19-2013
 

wow! it's really cheaper than other machines...

so lets ask the people here:

what is your recommendation?

Ultra G digital galvanic stimulator or Hidrex-psp?

Thank you!
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Old 07-19-2013
 

With Hidrex, you are paying for a brand name. I find the Ultra G works even with soft water.
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