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(Sounds a bit dangerous, yeah? and umm, not very eco?)

Honda, great perspective...

It's interesting that 'revolution-type movements' started in North-African countries... on Twitter and Facebook etc. I think there is a grassroots revolution (or several) going on elsewhere worldwide too...

people are learning to live more eco-friendly, more sustainably, many people are not so much into materialism anymore... (maybe you need to read some of the eco blogs/websites hehe)

OF COURSE there are people who want to maintain status quo, especially if they profit from it..!!
There are also a lot of unsatisfied people who are more than willing to embrace a change..

It's not easy to change sometimes, even if you want to.. Or to you know try to change things in community/life, on a national or international level...

Different countries and continents have different unique challenges..

What do you mean with the Lacunas?

Just as the sea can not sink a ship if the water can not get inside; troubles can not disturb the peace of a mind that doesn't allow them in

"It is better to conquer yourself than to win a thousand battles. Then the victory is yours. It cannot be taken from you..."

I only wish to conquer myself, then the world will live itself

I conquered myself so many times and i failed alot but never stopped and i keep going... Now its time to move ahead and start enlightening other people to conquer themselves...

& theres not such thing as peace of mind, give me a break; all people have fears, weaknesses and are distrubed of something at different degrees but its a matter of how you manage to be productive and live with the flaws and improve your strengths and thats what i do... Life is good as much as its bad... The key is knowing how to live it..

Plus, revolutions without a cause are a nightmare and history proved that... Revolutions of today should not be fought on the streets rather in the mind and enlightment... Nevertheless anything worth getting is really hard to get and is very easy to say it but really hard to get..

Nations that succeed are those that adjust and adapts to the dyanmic tensions of life... Japan got 2 nukes dropped on them and lost a whole war, heck they dont even have an army... Yet they managed to survive and thrive as 1 of the greatest nations out there.. Of course they are not perfect but they are an ispiration somehow. As an example...

the japanese are really truly an inspiration.

peace of mind - u have a point. but im not there yet though..

Yeah, I think it's not enough to get enlightened oneself... It's important to inspire other people too...

Many 'new agey' people think it's enough to just 'think positive' or to 'go zen' and then some 'bad ****' happens and they go 'Ooh, the world is bad' yikes!!

Even individuals can influence society to some extent, it may not be so easy to try to juggle other responsibilities and expectations of other people etc.

Honda, what kind of change are you talking about?

I LOVE Japan and admire the Japanese too, but they made some not-so-very-wise choices too, like they built so many nuke plants and got very industrialized and had environmental problems etc too... And some of their culture is quite materialistic too.. I do hope they will manage to learn from it all... and rise again!!

Yeah, there is such a thing as some relative peace of mind I know cause I've experienced it in the past, it's not a 'permanent' thing though really yeah.. and you can do things without it too, the important thing is to accept yourself and others as you are, and ideally get support for the 'difficult' things

I actually believe more in 'evolution' than 'revolution', cause some revolutions have been umm, unpremeditated and some bad things happened.. so ideally it's a more long-term process with less 'collateral damage'... Revolutions can be a nightmare 'with a cause' too... (I come from an ex-socialist country..) there may be some good things even from some bad things, and vice versa...

If I had to describe society, I'd say this:

Everybody's a critic.

Whats wrong with criticizing? Whats life without flaws? How will you know what's what without criticizim or hardship..

Every generation has its ups and downs... And life is a constant dynamic tension.. One day something is regarded as taboo the next its considered regular... Its just an individual's role to understand, adapt and be brave enough to make a difference..

I think societies as a whole are ****ed.
We all do what government and religion say to do. We all adapt to norms. We all adapt to what is acceptable. We are unique. We love. But if there were no rules, would we be afraid of anything?
If we knew no one was judging us, would we be afraid? Would we hate ourselves?
Society is just a culture of rules and norms. That's all.
In reality, everything is superficial.
The mechanistic worldview that is seemingly unavoidable.

CosmicNeurotica said:

I think societies as a whole are ****ed.
We all do what government and religion say to do. We all adapt to norms. We all adapt to what is acceptable. We are unique. We love. But if there were no rules, would we be afraid of anything?
If we knew no one was judging us, would we be afraid? Would we hate ourselves?
Society is just a culture of rules and norms. That's all.
In reality, everything is superficial.
The mechanistic worldview that is seemingly unavoidable.

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Fortunately, many people are waking up and realizing this...

The future will be a whole different world but there will always be greater forces always trying to take advantages of the weaknesses of people... Not to mention society and culture aswell.. Some parts of the world have gone ahead of this, i find Denmark and inspiring nation aswell...

I hope more people embrace this truth.. because many are still hardwired to religion and society that they are too scared to let go..

Protesting on the streets and forming rebellion groups is starting to looks powerless and outdated... I guess changing things will be different from now on..

Honda said:

Protesting on the streets and forming rebellion groups is starting to looks powerless and outdated... I guess changing things will be different from now on..

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You're right from that perspective on riots, for now.

Because of my experience and my desire to have some success in life, I am very aware, beyond what we see in the news, that companies will only accept the best people to join them, whether these are checkout people, designers, engineers.. whatever they need. It makes sense, and if I could start a company I'd do it this way too, but I do believe that, in a future well beyond the lifespan of any people on this forum... in 2100? There should be a way to curb breeding lawfully, but practically it might well not be possible.

With food running short due to a lack of Earth resources and overpopulation, perhaps only those who work in the skyscrapers in capital cities will be able to get food, the population might change, but if mammal breeding continues to expand, having billions of people might be enough to survive and topple the premium class physically.. living in their houses and driving their cars? People with no education or properties could expand beyond the 0.001% executives, government or the royals...

I remember an old BBC movies from the 1970s where there was fallout from the cold war, so no electricity, everything freezing cold, due to the ash, no resources, where all living people kept breeding, from teenage, becoming mutants, and eating live sheep to survive, which kept breeding, too.

WORK.BUY.CONSUME.DIE.

We have a problem in this world order and what everybody is doing is covering it up to get this agenda or personal goals set..

People living in the civilized world are as blind as those living in the 3rd world.. Each one sees 1 reality of this world... We live in Babel literally and many people in the position of power are doing what it takes to abuse the system for their own good.. Well who wouldn't? but the question is how greedy can you be? I mean how far? Seriously..

There is problems in this world and there always will be, the biggest achievement is to build a culture where persistence and passion to keep people working on making this world more efficient and more productive is key..

But theres alot of blind people... People who desperately and blindly follow leaders, governments and religions just to save themselves...

I wana live my life and work on becoming more successful and better but i think people who dont see this big picture about how the world is way beyond what you see and what are will not get anywhere in the future...

so what do you guys sugest?What is the solution?

How much is this to ask of a person? I see a lot more meaning in a review of a painting, or a movie, or a book... in a paragraph. Does this excite people to want do this? From experience, once you get there and make a start, all this means nothing... the underlying metaphor would be, eg. a car mechanic - service car:
1. remove wheels
2. clean them
3. replace parts (list of items supplied)
4. clean seats
5. clean exterior
6. test that the car works
7. move onto the next vehicle

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Whenever I see the phrase "today's society" I can't help but feel most of the appeal lies in forgetting "yesterday's society". Materialism is not more a part of human nature than before, it's just that comfortably living is now accessible to so many more people. Revolutionary spirit may have replaced in favor of stability, presumably because people have found it. Religious intolerance is broadly in decline, democracy is broadly inclining, a war affecting citizens is almost unthinkable and little more likely outside it, health is vastly better, caste and class have blurrier lines, the world is open to travel almost without limit, crime is lower and better dealt with, societal tolerance has made great leaps across the board, almost universal information is almost universal. I could go on.

I'm speaking from a first world perspective of course, but it sounds like everybody else is. Isn't the world generally a better place than it used to be?

^ Probably not everywhere... Some places were once better others were once worse.. Times change..

Honda said:

Whats wrong with criticizing? Whats life without flaws? How will you know what's what without criticizim or hardship..

Every generation has its ups and downs... And life is a constant dynamic tension.. One day something is regarded as taboo the next its considered regular... Its just an individual's role to understand, adapt and be brave enough to make a difference..

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Haha, when did I say there is something wrong with critisicm? All I wrote in my post was like one sentence.

Obviously, criticism is bad when someone does it just to tear someone down for their own selfish gain of feeling dominant. Then you've got your constructive criticism that is a necessity if you want to help someone improve at something.

So yeah, criticism can be good or bad, depending on the situation.

When I said everybody's a critic, I was just describing what I think of society. It wasn't a complaint or a compliment, it was just an observation.

I wish I lived during the blitz in WWII in england where I could do some good. Maybe swap places with a woman from that time who could make good use at all the oppurtunities I had.

Well after WW2, it was a horrifying phase in Europe, with all the mass starvation and poverty that happened... Along with the chaos after the war that got Europe split into an east and west camp...

We do live in times that are far better than ever, people do focus more on their own lives and their personal matters more now but were not making the best of it so far.. Theres alot of distractions: like endless work, drug abuse, increasing corruption and loopholes.. We have the resources to fix alot but unfortunately i see that governments have changed or probably people just woke up to the reality of the world's system...