Suicide not the answer? Why not?

[endoflife]

I am curious as to why everybody seems to say that suicide is not the answer.

Let me juxtapose committing suicide and not committing suicide.

Committing suicide pros:
-A final end to my miserable life, with it's sole purpose of tying me down and having it wave at me as it passes me by. Day after day.
-A final end to my miserable mental state. An ineffable state of emotionless uncaring, and yet at the same time, roller coaster swings from high to low, with each swing going less and less high, and more and more low.
-A final end to the knowledge that I will never, ever, experience the embrace of a woman; that I will never form any kind of relationship, and will remain a virgin to the very day of my natural death.
-A final end to my addiction to the internet and masturbation. Masturbation is the one thing that temporarily suppresses my sex drive; however, the amount of time it is suppressed is rapidly decreasing with each successive masturbation, and the brief feeling of semi-pleasure it causes is doing likewise.
-A final end to the parasitic lifestyle I live and the burden I place on my single mother and grandmother. I collectively owe them over $11,000 USD, and I am 17.
-A final end to the knowledge that my college career (if I go to college) will be even more suppressing and mentally demeaning than my high school career, of which I will be entering the final year of come the end of this summer.
-A final end to myself being tormented each and every day, seeing guy after guy make smalltalk and have fun with girl after girl, while knowing this will never be myself. Whoever is controlling my life wanted to make it clear to me that I am less than a fraction of a human being, living in a couples world.
-A final end to the knowledge that I would not be here right now had mankind not halted the progression of natural selection.
-The earth is severely overpopulated with humans.

Committing suicide cons:
-May cause temporary pain to the small amount of family members that care about me. But then again, it would end my parasitic attachment to them and, of course, I would not be around to feel bad about it.

Not committing suicide pros:
-Supposedly the "right" answer
-No pain caused to the ones that care about me (but they must realize I am but a leech)

Not committing suicide cons:
-Everything that suicide would solve will worsen, and more issues will develop with each grain of life that falls through the hour glass.
-I am a waste of flesh and bone.

Given this information, I have come to the conclusion that the people who say suicide is not the answer are quite simply and flatly wrong. With this I do depart.

 

[Kien]

From an atheistic view suicide is brilliant.

 

[drd77]

your fucking 17 years old dude. still a long life to live. your life is not over. thereiis still plenty of time to change your ways. committing suicide would be so pathetic.

 

[Kien]

The younger you are the more important life is. If it's shitty all the young years then it's not worth living. And stop seeing suicide as somw thing special.

 

[Helyna]

Committing suicide cons:
-final end to your chances to feel anything, including better
-final end to any chance of finding a friend
-final end to any chance of making someone else happy
-final end to your ability to enjoy anything, even if it's just eating chocolate or watching a TV program or something.
-final end to your ability to make the "severely overpopulated" earth any better in any tiny way
-in fact, you'll make it worse in some small way because there are people who know you, and even if you don't think they care about you, have you thought how depressing it would be for anyone to have someone they know commit suicide? You would hurt the people close to you even more. And I care and I don't even know you
-final end to seeing anything good come out of another person
-in short, final end to all hope, as little as you think there may be, in your life.

You better still be there. You better read this. I'm not a psychiatrist. I don't know the right things to say. I can't think of everything on the spot like this. But that's what I think. Don't kill yourself. There's got to be some hope somewhere, and don't end that. Find professional help. If you owe so much to your mother and grandmother, they surely can spend some more to give you something you really need. Nobody is a waste of a life unless he/she lets him/herself be. I mean it. Don't just give up. Please.

And if it's too late for me to post this already, I only hope that someone else reads it, and I hope it makes something better for somebody.

 

[Kien]

It makes no sense to care about loosing things when commiting suicide. It's like if you would be worrying about things in your life before you existed. It's really the dumbest argument against suicide, that you loose stuff.

 

[blonderedhead]

Okay let me juxtapose it for you...


Suicide Pros
-A pain is ended. BUT a pain that can absolutely be cured. All things heal in time.

Suicide Cons
-An innocent soul is lost. A soul that could have had so much to give and contribute to this world. Because every single person has something to offer
-Life is permanently ended. A chance at happiness and love is gone forever.
-You'll never get to experience the truest of embraces from a woman who loves you with all her heart because there will be one! I am sure of it! You're only 17 right now man.


Not Commiting Suicide Pros
-Living
-A chance at love
-A chance at happiness
-No one will be devastated or hurt
-A chance to get better and growing as a human being. And becoming a better and stronger and wiser and more empathetic person because of everything you have experienced.

Not Commiting Suicide Cons
-There aren't any cons for this one...buddy! Sorry but there isn't.

People who say that suicide is not the answer are quite simply and flatly right. I am so sorry for the despair you must be experiencing at the moment. But there has got to be moments of faith and hope that you have! You just want to be happy thats all, and thats the most reasonable thing to want on Earth. And it is also the furthest thing from being impossible to achieve. It's always right there, right in front of you. Its hard to see or find sometimes, but its there. This is just a part of the disease. It shields you from seeing the hope in things and I have no idea why I'm saying this because sometimes even I find it hard to believe what I say but if I didn't believe it somewhere in my heart I wouldn't be here now. I just sincerely hope you hang in there. The world is waiting for you to get out there and make your mark on it! It must be! Why would you or anyone else for that matter have been given a life to begin with? That would just be nonsensical.

 

[Helyna]

Thank you, blonderedhead. That's the sort of thing I was trying to say. Remember: suicide is FINAL. Depression isn't, no matter how endless it feels right now.

 

[ljwwriter]

I guess you may as well stick life out. Will it really get better as people say? Who knows. I've always thought of it as just something we tell ourselves to keep from leaping off bridges when the true pointlessness of existence becomes so overwhelmingly clear.
I've weighed the pros and cons of suicide in my own head, and neither side looks better to me. It won't be some glorious end to one's pain because it will be nothingness. But I'm hardly a believer that something is always better than nothing.

I've found that life is little more than remaining hopeful that someday things will be better. Clinging to that hope is all that keeps most of us alive, even if it is futile.

 

[Carstuar]

I've found that life is little more than remaining hopeful that someday things will be better. Clinging to that hope is all that keeps most of us alive, even if it is futile.

Even if I have nothing at this point, I try to cherish the tiniest of pleasures, like my favorite food and drink, my favorite songs, and TV shows.
Also, the sound of birds singing in the morning can be beautiful if you just pay attention to it.

 

[chris420]

Man, if you are this low you are in a lucky position you can say f'ck the consequences of whatever I do cause you might as well be dead anyway right?? apart from all the other obvious benefits it'd sure be a lot more fun than killing yourself !

You're 17, you can't possibly know whats ahead of you in life. You haven't fully developed intellectually or emotionally yet. Everything can change. You WILL be in a different situation 5 years from now, but your actions will determine where you will be.

SA/depression are just limited ways of seeing the world, don't let them blind you !

Kien: you bring up an interesting philosophical point, but we are talking about a person's life.. you wouldn't kill your self, so please don't encourage someone else to

 

[coriander1992]

your fucking 17 years old dude. still a long life to live. your life is not over. thereiis still plenty of time to change your ways. committing suicide would be so pathetic.

Ditto that.
You're only 17, you've only been on the earth for 17 out of what could be 80 or 90 odd years!
Things will change for you at some point, and it is well within your power to speed that process along!

STOP sitting around feeling sorry for yourself and do something about it! Everybody has things that will make life hard for them, it just so happens that yours are SA and depression currently. Put that into perspective, it isn't impossible for you to overcome these things, you just gotta desperately want to do it.
Do you? Or would you rather just complain about it?

Come on, you're so much better than this! :wink:

 

[TheWall]

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[chris420]

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[sabbath92003]

It's not how fast you can go
The force goes into the flow
If you pick up the beat
You can forget about the heat
More than just survival
More than just a flash
More than just a dotted line
More than just a dash

It's a test of ultimate will
The heartbreak climb uphill
Got to pick up the pace
If you want to stay in the race
More than just blind ambition
More than just simple greed
More than just a finish line
Must feed this burning need
In the long run...

[Chorus:]
From first to last
The peak is never passed
Something always fires the light that gets in your eyes
One moment's high, and glory rolls on by
Like a streak of lightning
That flashes and fades in the summer sky

Your meters may overload
You can rest at the side of the road
You can miss a stride
But nobody gets a free ride

More than high performance
More than just a spark
More than just the bottom line
Or a lucky shot in the dark
In the long run...

[Chorus]

You can do a lot in a lifetime
If you don't burn out too fast
You can make the most of the distance
First you need endurance
First you've got to last...

[Chorus]

 

[Digitaldreams]

-A final end to the knowledge that I will never, ever, experience the embrace of a woman; that I will never form any kind of relationship, and will remain a virgin to the very day of my natural death.

--Why can't you get a mail-order bride eventually? Anyone can experience the embrace of a woman. It just takes some patience and knowing where to look. There are plenty of nice ladies that would be interested in you. You appear to be smart and after a few yrs of college,you will be making good money.

-A final end to my addiction to the internet and masturbation. Masturbation is the one thing that temporarily suppresses my sex drive; however, the amount of time it is suppressed is rapidly decreasing with each successive masturbation, and the brief feeling of semi-pleasure it causes is doing likewise.

--porn addiction can be real trouble. I'd try to get rid of that stuff or at least use a milder form of the "drug". It tends to leave many guys dissatisfied with their current situations too.

-A final end to the parasitic lifestyle I live and the burden I place on my single mother and grandmother. I collectively owe them over $11,000 USD, and I am 17.

--I'm confident that the love you give them is worth far more than $11,000. Also,it seems kinder to them to stick around and take classes at school or from home and then work to repay them for their kindness to you.

-A final end to the knowledge that my college career (if I go to college) will be even more suppressing and mentally demeaning than my high school career, of which I will be entering the final year of come the end of this summer.

College is never as bad as public schools. People are much nicer in college and everything tends to get better. By the way,some states in the US allow one to enter college early and earn credits for **both** high school & college. You might want to consider that.
Lastly,even if your social anxiety is through the roof at school or something,you can take classes from home. Computer careers and many other things are available to take from home. You may want to go to Youtube and check out the MIT courses they offer on there. You have TONS of options.

-A final end to myself being tormented each and every day, seeing guy after guy make smalltalk and have fun with girl after girl, while knowing this will never be myself. Whoever is controlling my life wanted to make it clear to me that I am less than a fraction of a human being, living in a couples world.

You're defining a happy life in the wrong way. Also,things will get better **if**.....**if**....you don't give up. I don't often throw about the word "certain" with such things as this but I feel free to do so in this case. I am certain they will get better **if** you don't give up.

-The earth is severely overpopulated with humans.

I don't think that suicide can ever be a philanthropic act. Like others said,if you care about the earth,stick around and try to make it better.

Committing suicide cons:
-May cause temporary pain to the small amount of family members that care about me. But then again, it would end my parasitic attachment to them and, of course, I would not be around to feel bad about it.

I knew a guy who (sort of) committed suicide and I think that he thought that he wouldn't cause much pain to his family and it wouldn't last. The pain goes on and on and never completely heals. It won't truly be a temporary pain to your family members.

 

[Argamemnon]

My brother had committed suicide about six years ago, it was a horrible experience for me and my parents.

 

[Marie_knowsbest]

man dont ask people why their family killed themselves! im very sorry to here that mate xxx
and that is why suicide is wrong on too many levels.

havin a porn and internet addiction isnt really that bad to kill youself is it? if thats hard to deal with to you then mate..you have not exerienced alot, which is why you need to get out n about rather than contemplate suicide likes it the same as choosing white or brown bread.

life aint a game!

 

[Argamemnon]

Why did he do it?

because he was schizofrenic.

 

[footballfan]

to the original poster....please post again, just to let know your alive!!!!!!!
I'm 25 nearly 25 now. And I went through EXACTLY the same feelings as you when I was 17 and I didn't keven know what SA was back then (no internet back then, only dial up) lol, but I actually tried to go through with it, but was saved by my sister of all people. The person who I thought was my worst enemy.!!!!!!!

Now I'm not saying my life is a bed of roses now, but I'm glad I'm here now. I ended up in a 6 year relationship (ended now, but glad it happened). And I'm low right now, but I know life will get better.........that's how life goes..........I will feel better if you just say a message to say your'e ok, send me a pm, and we can chat....peace.


hope I made sense, it's 4 am uk time right now! lol


I never spilt my feelings like this over a computer b4! LOL