Could our Sp be an evil Spirit?

Mary

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Maybe some of you fr. the "do you believe in ghosts" post would like to comment on this one now! I remember reading a post awhile back by some guy on here who said that he had an exorcism of sorts performed on him and that his Sp was a spirit that had been tormenting him and was now gone. I do believe in evil spirits and have seen the control they can have on people and have taken a class at a church where they talked about curses and stuff and "generational curses", you know if your dad or mom or grandparents struggled w/something and then later you have the same problem it may be a generational curse.
I know this is going to be controversial and before I get tons of hate mail, let me say that I am not sure whether I believe Sp is a spirit or not but I have thought about the possibility. The only problem is if it is..I can't go up to my pastor and ask him to pray for me because well..the SP won't let me! Also deep down I am afraid it won't do any good and then people will want me to do things that I am not ready to do..
Who thinks I should go and ask for prayer and see what happens? Sometimes I think, "what can it hurt, I have tried everything else?"
 

cLavain

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Mary,
I don't think talking about curses and spirits will do much good, except perhaps generate more anxiety. I'm pretty sure SA is just a reaction to bad events in our past, our minds are overreacting when exposed to stressful social situations maybe because it reminds us of negative experiences or because we feel inferior or whatever. We don't have to exorcise demons to get better, except in a figurative sense. We need to condition our minds to react properly again, and we can all do that, perhaps we need to take our own specific paths to get there but we can do it and we don't need to worry about ghosts or spirits. Think about: How can you fight demons? Exorcism? Will that work? What if it doesn't make you feel any better afterwards? Will you blame yourself for not believing enough? My $0.02: Take the fight to a different arena where the odds are more in your favour.

I was reading your post about how you proved your father wrong, and I was thinking to myself that YOU did that, Mary, whether you managed to do it by taking comfort in your personal beliefs is totally beside the point: To all intents and purposes, you did it!
 

Mary

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Hi Clavain! I appreciate what you are trying to say and do, but unfortunately our beliefs are a bit..different. So are some of our experiences and I have seen some things that would make your skin crawl.
Anyway, the only post I have ever read on here where someone has claimed to be "cured" of Sp is that guy I mentioned who was prayed for. Other people have said they have gotten better but so far I have yet to read anyone say they ARE better, not 100% better. I'm sorry but I want to be free from this thing, not constantly struggling w/it. I'm sure most of us do as well.
About my dad, I'm afraid that what you say is wrong, I would love to take credit for proving him wrong as well as for forgiving him but I know its not true. I could NOT have done it w/out God's help. I tried for many years on my own and only God removed the hate I had for him after asking Him to help me. He also helps me in other areas of my life, its not me, believe me! On my own I can do nothing!
About the "exorcism" or prayer, if it doesn't work I don't think I will feel any worse than I do when someone comes over and I can't deal w/it and hate myself for it..I don't think it will be worse than anything else I deal w/daily. Living this way is hard enough. :(
Oh and before I forget, what's with the new avatar pic? You know now whenever I look at it when you post I can't help think that is how you look like.. :lol: :wink:
 

Mary

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This book deals w/this topic if anyone is interested in learning more about this. It is called, "They shall expel Demons" by Derek Prince. This is what the back cover of the book says:

"What are Demons? How do Demons gain entry into people's lives? Do Christians ever need deliverance from Demons?
In this readable, biblically based book, Derek Prince answers these and many other vital questions. If you are struggling with problems that never seem to go away, has it ever occurred to you that demons may be at work? Or perhaps you want to help others with such problems.
Derek Prince points out that, "Jesus never sent anyone out to preach the Gospel without specifically instructing and equipping them to take action against demons in the same way that He himself did."
If this is not true today, Prince asks, "Who has changed? Jesus? The demons? The church?"
In this practical, comprehensive handbook on deliverance, Prince shares his own struggle with demons and addresses the fears and misconception often associated with deliverance. Speaking from more than 30 years experience in this ministry, Prince offers down to earth advice on how to recieve and minister deliverance and how to remain free. He also describes nine characteristic activities of demons, seven ways demons gain access to people's lives, and then leads you through nine steps to deliverance."

Prince does not discount the medical profession's importance and relevance in dealling w/issue's or discredit them in any way. But believes many sickness and mental ilness can be caused by demons as well or spirits as they can also be called.
 

cLavain

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Mary said:
Anyway, the only post I have ever read on here where someone has claimed to be "cured" of Sp is that guy I mentioned who was prayed for. Other people have said they have gotten better but so far I have yet to read anyone say they ARE better, not 100% better. I'm sorry but I want to be free from this thing, not constantly struggling w/it. I'm sure most of us do as well.
Well, okay, you're right, it's a hard fight no matter how you go about it, and maybe 100% cure is unattainable for most of us, but I know progress can be made, because I have gotten much better myself through various means.
Anyway, one thing I'm wondering about is this: Will it really help to think that your enemy is not of this earth? If I actually believed that I think I would be more scared than ever.
Mary said:
About my dad, I'm afraid that what you say is wrong, I would love to take credit for proving him wrong as well as for forgiving him but I know its not true. I could NOT have done it w/out God's help. I tried for many years on my own and only God removed the hate I had for him after asking Him to help me. He also helps me in other areas of my life, its not me, believe me! On my own I can do nothing!
Aargh! Have you any idea how frustrating it is to see you sell yourself short like that? I'm proud of the little progress I have made. Sure, others may point out that it's still less than "normal" people, but they don't know how much it has cost me to get where I am, hell, to still be here at all. In my belief system, you would be a little proud of yourself too. That's my story, and I'm sticking to it! :wink:
Mary said:
Oh and before I forget, what's with the new avatar pic? You know now whenever I look at it when you post I can't help think that is how you look like.. :lol: :wink:
I almost think so too... Actually, it's the main character in the movie Eraserhead. I love the hairstyle!
 

GIOLANDA

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This is what I think: I believe that evil spirits exist,of course,but I believe in some psychology rules too,so I'll combine them! According to the Bible,ppl had evil spirits when the devil was inside of them,they harmed themselves,spoke against of God etc. However,I think that SA it's just an anxiety disorder,like many others,caused by our surroundings. It can be improved by psychotherapy,positive thinking and change-which means changing your life conditions. It's difficult to be cured though and I this is because we live with people,everything is social in our life and we can't be out of social interactions. Also,christians have the spirit of God and I don't think that this spirit can be there,when an evil spirit is there too! God doesn't match with devil.
However,I know that God can help a lot with SA,He's the doctor of our bodies and souls and he can help with everything. I pray to him and I beg him to make me feel better.
 

Mary

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About your comment Clavain that if you believed that you would be more scared than ever..well the thought doesn't scare me, it gives me hope. I know it sounds wierd to say that but if I do have a spirit of fear, I know someone who can take it from me! And is cheaper than any therapy! :wink: I was reading part of the book I mention above by Derek Prince, "They shall expel Demons."and I think maybe I don't have to go in for an exorcism after all right now, maybe I just need to call upon the name of Jesus more and believe his word and the authority He has given me over these things if in fact that is what I have. Here is an excerpt fr. the book where the author describes being set free fr. his own spirit that tormented him.

"I repeated the phrase to myself: the spirit of heaviness. Was this God's diagnosis of my condition? Could it mean that the force I was struggling with was not part of myself, but an alien person--an evil spirit being that somehow occupied an area of my mind?
I recalled a term I had once heard but did not understand: familiar spirit. Did it possibly refer to some kind of evil power that attached itself to the members of a family, moving down from generation to generation?
I thought about an aspect of my father's character that had allways puzzled me. He was a good moral man and a succesful officer who had retired from the Army w/the rank of a colonel. For 98 percent of the time he behaved like the English gentleman that he was. But during the fraction of the 2 percent of the time, I had seen something in him quite alien to his personality. Some apparently trivial incident would upset him and for as long as 24 hours, he would lapse into a rigid, stony silence. He would shut himself off fr. my mother and would not open his mouth even to say thank you for a cup of tea. Then w/no apparent reason he would return to his normal, well mannered self.
With this new insight, I saw that a similar "dark spirit" had followed me through my life, from childhood onward. Apparently it had studied my temperament and was familiar w/my weaknesses and my reactions. It knew just when I would be most vulnerable to its pressures. It now had one objective, to prevent me fr. serving Christ effectively.
This was a decisive moment in my life. I had allways regarded my depression and negative attitude as an expression of my own charachter-something I had been born with. I had felt guilty that I was not a better christian. Now it became clear to me that my struggle was not against part of my own personality at all.
Immediately the Holy spirit brought to mind the promise of Joel 2:32; "And it shall come to pass that whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be delivered.."
I determined to apply this promise and act on it. I said a simple prayer that went something like this: "Lord you have shown me that I have been oppressed by a spirit of heaviness, but You have promised in Your word that if I call on Your name, I shall be delivered. So I'm calling on You now to deliver me, in the name of Jesus!"
The response was immediate. Something like a huge, heavenly vacuum cleaner came down over me and sucked away the gray mist that shrouded my head and shoulders. At the same time a pressure in the area of my chest was forcibly released and I gave a little gasp."
God had answered my prayer.
 
I personally don't think SA is caused by evil spirits, I am not religious but a few years ago I couldn't leave the house because of agoraphobia and now I have a job, I'm in college, I'm going on holiday and I'm generally happier than I ever thought possible. I'm not 'cured', but I'm 95% better than I used to be. I think SA can be caused by having parents with SA, but mine didn't, I'm the only person in my family with SA, so I don't think it is necessarily a generational curse either.

I do, however, believe in evil spirits (although I cannot say exactly what I believe them to be), perhaps some people are being harrassed by evil spirits, but I don't think most people with SA are.
 

young

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Mary said:
Also deep down I am afraid it won't do any good and then people will want me to do things that I am not ready to do..

It's those deep down thoughts that feed your inner fires. What you are dong is on a sub conscious level you are sabatooging yourself. Making yourself fail cause you want to fail.

Could an evil spirit or bad karma cause your inner turmoil? It's possible. If you believe stronlgy enough in something. Anything is possible. Words and thoughts can be very powerful.

crazyfairyx said:
I think SA can be caused by having parents with SA, but mine didn't, I'm the only person in my family with SA, so I don't think it is necessarily a generational curse either.

They say sa isn't passed onto children... So if you have it. There's a good chance that you're kids won't have it.
 
young said:
crazyfairyx said:
I think SA can be caused by having parents with SA, but mine didn't, I'm the only person in my family with SA, so I don't think it is necessarily a generational curse either.

They say sa isn't passed onto children... So if you have it. There's a good chance that you're kids won't have it.

I didn't mean genetically, I meant if you're brought up in an anxious environment kids can pick up on it and become anxious themselves.
 

young

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crazyfairyx said:
young said:
crazyfairyx said:
I think SA can be caused by having parents with SA, but mine didn't, I'm the only person in my family with SA, so I don't think it is necessarily a generational curse either.

They say sa isn't passed onto children... So if you have it. There's a good chance that you're kids won't have it.

I didn't mean genetically, I meant if you're brought up in an anxious environment kids can pick up on it and become anxious themselves.

I see... That does make a lot of sense. If someone was paranoid all the time and thought that aliens would come and probe them. I'm sure their kids would start to share those believes. It always impresses me the way kids try to mimic what their parents say and do.

Clavain said:
I'm pretty sure SA is just a reaction to bad events in our past, our minds are overreacting when exposed to stressful social situations maybe because it reminds us of negative experiences or because we feel inferior or whatever[/"quote"]

I completely agree with this statment. Cuase I do it all the times. Like the times that I have been really bad and anxious. Always seems to outweigh the times that I am fine. I could be bad 1 out of 100 times. But that 1 time will ring a bell in me harder than those 99 good times. Which then will make me not want to do anything. Long before I even attempt to do something. It's a lethal chain of events. Which is VERY had to break.
 

LA-girl

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I really don't know whether anxiety-disorders are evil spirits....could be, but I honestly doubt it. Heavy psychoses on the other hand is more likely to be caused by demons in my opinion. Personally I hate to think that my anxiety might be caused by demons and I think I would be terrified to undergo an exorcism. 8O It freaks me out just thinking about it. I recently watched a "real" exorcism on the internet recently and it was not very pleasent to watch! But for those who believe it would work and would not be afraid to try it I would strongly advise you to prepare yourself mentally that it might be another let down... But again that's just my opinion...
 

thequietone

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Mary, just out of curiosity, what did that book say that demons actually are? I'm imagining little devil creatures. Do they physically manifest themselves??

I was wondering about this since I read the "Do you believe in Ghosts" thread, where many people seemed to think ghosts are actually demons impersonating people. But I don't really get what a demon is.
 

thequietone

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I would also like to add.....Faith is a hugely powerful thing. People might disagree with me, but I think the reason exorcisms work is because people believe they will work. And if you really believe that SP is a demon and it can be "cast out" by belief in God, then there's a good chance of it happening. So maybe the power is within ourselves? I can't claim to know. :roll:
 

Horatio

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I've been excorsised about 5 or 6 times in my mid to late teens, the last time when I was about 19

I was told that the great and glorious Jesus had come to set me free from the Spirit of Hades who apparently had possesed me. After the said excorsism I felt no change and still kept to myself, still wore black, still struggled with depression.

The church leaders then informed me that it was my fault, that I was weak, and that the excorsim had worked but Hades (The spirit of Death) had come back with 7 demons. With the lies of christianity inside me I believed all this, weeped every night, praying with all my heart and soul to be released but nothing.

It wasnt until well after I turned my back on the church that I realised the "symptoms of possession" that I supposedly had were remarkably similiar to those of social anxiety...eg:

- Dizzyness
- Reluctance to enter crowded rooms (or churches)
- Trouble speaking when spoken to
- Tight feeling in chest
- Panic
- Desire to leave church immediately after the service to avoid having to stand around with strangers socialising
- Hesitance to go up in front of the church for communion or prayer

Just because I didn't waltz around with a banana sized grin on my cheery face acting like a serial hugger before, after and during church services wearing hawaiian shirts or pink "I love Jesus" tshirts and backstabbing other church members over weak powdered juice and scones whilst humming Hillsongs tunes DOES NOT mean I'm possesed. the attitude of the christian church is that if you have a mental disability then it is an extreme sign of weakiness of faith and that you must be influenced by demons/spirits

in summary... christian churches are full of absolute shit, not the fresh warm organic things you find on farms but dry white 2000 year old crap ground to dust so it can be spoonfed to the gullible. I would highly advise anyone who reads this to NEVER go near a church because if you display any signs of social anxiety then you will only be judged and told you are weak.

I have no doubts that evil spirits do exist but 99% of social anxiety sufferers are not influenced by any such thing.
 

LA-girl

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Horatio said:
The church leaders then informed me that it was my fault, that I was weak, and that the excorsim had worked but Hades (The spirit of Death) had come back with 7 demons. With the lies of christianity inside me I believed all this, weeped every night, praying with all my heart and soul to be released but nothing.

This leaves me once again in 8O , :( and :x !!!

Just because I didn't waltz around with a banana sized grin on my cheery face acting like a serial hugger before, after and during church services wearing hawaiian shirts or pink "I love Jesus" tshirts and backstabbing other church members over weak powdered juice and scones whilst humming Hillsongs tunes DOES NOT mean I'm possesed.

Agree!! It just mean that you're not fake, like maybe most of the other church-members...? :roll:

the attitude of the christian church is that if you have a mental disability then it is an extreme sign of weakiness of faith and that you must be influenced by demons/spirits

I will repeat what the Bible have to say about weakness

“God purposely chose...what the world considers weak in order to shame the powerful”.

“I am with you; that is all you need. My power shows up best in weak people”

”My grace is sufficient for you, my power is made perfect in weakness.”


in summary... christian churches are full of absolute shit, not the fresh warm organic things you find on farms but dry white 2000 year old crap ground to dust so it can be spoonfed to the gullible.

I agree that there are a lot of hypocrites out there within the christian churches, that is why i try to focus on Gods people in the Bible (Abraham, Joseph, Moses and of course Jesus) and not the majority of the leaders and people of the christian churches. There are of course exceptions, thank God!

I have no doubts that evil spirits do exist but 99% of social anxiety sufferers are not influenced by any such thing.

Agree!
 

The_Crusader

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I'm open to this theory, but have no idea where I'd get an exorcism from in this part of the world... and if I found someone to do it I'd probably be to scared to meet them.
 

thequietone

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Wow, Horatio. 8O What denomination of Christianity did you used to belong to? I was raised Roman Catholic which is considered "old fashioned", so I was wondering. I mean it sounds really extreme. This part in particular was difficult to read:
The church leaders then informed me that it was my fault, that I was weak, and that the excorsim had worked but Hades (The spirit of Death) had come back with 7 demons. With the lies of christianity inside me I believed all this, weeped every night, praying with all my heart and soul to be released but nothing.

Organized religion really messes up sometimes, missing the point and distorting everything that is good. It makes me sad.
 

Mary

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thequietone said:
Mary, just out of curiosity, what did that book say that demons actually are? I'm imagining little devil creatures. Do they physically manifest themselves??

I was wondering about this since I read the "Do you believe in Ghosts" thread, where many people seemed to think ghosts are actually demons impersonating people. But I don't really get what a demon is.

To answer your question thequietone the book says this about demons and I quote: "I describe demons as disembodied spirit beings that have an intense desire to occupy physical bodies. Apparently their first choice is a human body but they are willing to enter even the body of an animal. (see Luke 8:32-33) Nevertheless even though demons do not have bodies they have all the normally accepted marks of personality:
1. Will
2. Emotion
3. Intellect
4. Self awareness
5. Ability to speak

Someone mentioned they would like to undergo an exorcism so I feel I must mention a word of caution. If anyone does do it, this isn't a "quick fix" so to speak. There are conditions and guidelines and things that can go wrong. For instance, you must be a believer in Jesus Christ and have given your life over to him first. Otherwise the bible warns that the demon or demons may be cast out but will return and it will be even worse than before. Other things that can stop you fr. getting deliverance according to the book could be:

1. LACK OF REPENTANCE
2. LACK OF DESPERATION
3. WRONG MOTIVES
4. SELF-CENTEREDNESS-A DESIRE FOR ATTENTION
5. FAILURE TO BREAK WITH THE OCCULT
6. FAILURE TO SEVER BINDING SOULISH RELATIONSHIPS
7. LACK OF RELEASE FROM A CURSE
8. FAILURE TO CONFESS A SPECIFIC SIN
9. NOT SEPARATED BY WATER BAPTISM
10. PART OF A LARGER BATTLE.

It goes on to explain in more detail ea. one but its too much for me to put it all. If anyone is seriously considering this I STRONGLY urge you to read the book about it first and to be in a right relationship w/Jesus Christ first.
Again the book is called, "THEY SHALL EXPEL DEMONS" BY DEREK PRINCE.

As for me, I am going to wait until after my pregnancy before I do anything like this since I know some spirits can be violent and act out though this is rare. I just don't want to take any chances right now in my condition. I also don't know if Sp is a spirit or not but I trust that God will let me know one way or the other for sure by then.
 

GIOLANDA

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Horatio said:
I've been excorsised about 5 or 6 times in my mid to late teens, the last time when I was about 19

I was told that the great and glorious Jesus had come to set me free from the Spirit of Hades who apparently had possesed me. After the said excorsism I felt no change and still kept to myself, still wore black, still struggled with depression.

The church leaders then informed me that it was my fault, that I was weak, and that the excorsim had worked but Hades (The spirit of Death) had come back with 7 demons. With the lies of christianity inside me I believed all this, weeped every night, praying with all my heart and soul to be released but nothing.

It wasnt until well after I turned my back on the church that I realised the "symptoms of possession" that I supposedly had were remarkably similiar to those of social anxiety...eg:

- Dizzyness
- Reluctance to enter crowded rooms (or churches)
- Trouble speaking when spoken to
- Tight feeling in chest
- Panic
- Desire to leave church immediately after the service to avoid having to stand around with strangers socialising
- Hesitance to go up in front of the church for communion or prayer

Just because I didn't waltz around with a banana sized grin on my cheery face acting like a serial hugger before, after and during church services wearing hawaiian shirts or pink "I love Jesus" tshirts and backstabbing other church members over weak powdered juice and scones whilst humming Hillsongs tunes DOES NOT mean I'm possesed. the attitude of the christian church is that if you have a mental disability then it is an extreme sign of weakiness of faith and that you must be influenced by demons/spirits

in summary... christian churches are full of absolute shit, not the fresh warm organic things you find on farms but dry white 2000 year old crap ground to dust so it can be spoonfed to the gullible. I would highly advise anyone who reads this to NEVER go near a church because if you display any signs of social anxiety then you will only be judged and told you are weak.

I have no doubts that evil spirits do exist but 99% of social anxiety sufferers are not influenced by any such thing.
Horatio,I agree that churches can make mistakes sometimes and I don't blame you for being confused. How about forgetting all those silly things and just going to Jesus? People often say wrong things,so leave them. But Lord is so sweet and if you go close to him,you'll see how nice it will be. It doesn't mean that you won't have problems,but that you'll have someone to help you with them. And the most important gift that God gives,is life in eternity. I would advise you to pray to him,tell him all your problems simply and forget about exorcism.
 
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