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Old 02-09-2014
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I'm starting to wonder if it's really necessary to put yourself on extremely strict diets. Unless there's a medical condition at play, is it so unthinkable to indulge in sugar/chocolate/junk food every now and again?

My belief is that if you're eating relatively well, and exercising relatively enough, you'll be fine.
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Old 02-10-2014
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Nope, I still live on the continent :P
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Old 02-10-2014
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I'm starting to wonder if it's really necessary to put yourself on extremely strict diets. Unless there's a medical condition at play, is it so unthinkable to indulge in sugar/chocolate/junk food every now and again?

My belief is that if you're eating relatively well, and exercising relatively enough, you'll be fine.
Meh, I don't think it is. I workout instead of watching my diet so strictly. Besides, I'd rather live fewer years and happier while eating those foods than be miserable by being on some ridiculous diet.
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Old 02-11-2014
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Just think of your poor teeth! Cavities! (at least that's how I try to dissuade myself)
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Old 02-11-2014
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The way they use sugar, salt and fat in the west is a lot like a drug. After living abroad I've definitely noticed that western food, especially in the Americas, is irresponsibly salty and sweet. At first I wondered why the food in Asia didn't have the same 'edge' or had a lesser flavor, and then I realized it's because they're smarter about it all and don't just put as much sugar and salt and fat into everything. As a result, almost everyone is thin. But as the western food moves in, this is changing... the kids are a lot heavier/more depressed as a result.

American food manufacturers are putting as much sugar into things as they possibly can... it's gotten a lot worse since (surprise surprise) all of this 'free market' BS became so popular and the corporations took over pretty much everything in the 80s. I think it's probably because it helps them to sell more food.

I know it sounds like a conspiracy... but in some cases, it actually is a conspiracy.

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Old 02-11-2014
 

Every body is different and is going to need a different diet in order for each person to feel happy and healthy. There's not much sense is arguing whether any one diet is better than any other.
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Old 02-11-2014
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The way they use sugar, salt and fat in the west is a lot like a drug. After living abroad I've definitely noticed that western food, especially in the Americas, is irresponsibly salty and sweet. At first I wondered why the food in Asia didn't have the same 'edge' or had a lesser flavor, and then I realized it's because they're smarter about it all and don't just put as much sugar and salt and fat into everything. As a result, almost everyone is thin. But as the western food moves in, this is changing... the kids are a lot heavier/more depressed as a result.

American food manufacturers are putting as much sugar into things as they possibly can... it's gotten a lot worse since (surprise surprise) all of this 'free market' BS became so popular and the corporations took over pretty much everything in the 80s. I think it's probably because it helps them to sell more food.

I know it sounds like a conspiracy... but in some cases, it actually is a conspiracy.

The Secrets of Sugar - the fifth estate - CBC News - YouTube
I recently read the book Salt, Sugar, Fat: How the Food Giants Hooked Us by Michael Moss. It was basically saying everything you mentioned above, plus a history of how processed food came into being the way it is now, and how it took over the American diet. What you're saying is absolutely true, it isn't a conspiracy at all; food giants do load up their recipes with as much salt, sugar and fat as they can. Their food scientists concoct the most irresistible combinations and they even go so far as to create new compounds and to figure out what the ideal shape of a salt or sugar or fat molecule should be for maximum "punch" when it hits the tongue (Moss interviewed CEOs and other managers and got direct quotes and papers, so all of this has been confirmed).
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Old 02-11-2014
 

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I'm starting to wonder if it's really necessary to put yourself on extremely strict diets. Unless there's a medical condition at play, is it so unthinkable to indulge in sugar/chocolate/junk food every now and again?

My belief is that if you're eating relatively well, and exercising relatively enough, you'll be fine.
I consider it to be like smoking. Doesn't kill you to have one once in awhile, but it's best to stay away.
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Old 02-13-2014
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Oh god... Same here. It's reaaaaally difficult not to break the diet. To make it worse, the anti-depressants make me hungrier

I don't like salty junk food, but sweets are definitely my weakness.
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Old 02-13-2014
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^Yup, it's such a pain! I think I crave sweet foods more than anything else, but salty and junk food I also crave quite a bit too. I have slacked off in trying to fix this thing, though I realize it is an addiction. I think I have done a little better in eating less, but too much of what I have eaten is just sugar. People here have given me a lot of great advice though and I'm going to try to incorporate some of it into my eating habits, as well as thinking patterns. I would love to get this under control, it would at least be one less thing to worry so much about.
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Old 02-13-2014
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Sugar can be pretty addicting.
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Old 02-13-2014
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I don't like salty junk food, but sweets are definitely my weakness.
I once had chocolate coated potato chips. Not as good as I hoped.

While I do like chips and pretzels, sweets are also my weakness. I want to be like Homer in the Land of Chocolate. Don't you, Hellhound?

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Old 02-16-2014
 

It's much easier for me to get addicted to salty/fatty food than sweet, but I assume it's pretty much the same.

It's easier to quit cold turkey. If you realize how good healthy food tastes, the cravings eventually stop. You can see in my signature that I stopped losing weight for a bit; I ate pizza to reward myself near the end of january and that kickstarted another bit of craving more. What really surprises me is I eat nearly all of a 15" pizza(12/15 slices or so, well over 1k cal) while I could have a sweet potato(<200cal) that I can't finish.

The hardest part is resisting something within walking distance. It's easy to eat a bunch of junk food since it has no preparation time and hardly fills you. I keep nuts around to snack on instead. Eat as soon as you crave and stuff yourself so sugar sounds terrible. Might be able to stave off the cravings until you don't crave.

Sugar is a poison for body and mind... Diabetes, cancer, worse memory/Alzheimers. Our ancestors used to get 22 teaspoons of sugar a year vs 52 teaspoons of sugar per day now.
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Old 02-18-2014
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Sugar is said to be one of the most addictive substances in the world - worse than heroin and cocaine. With it being so readily available in every second food we see, it's no wonder.
^ I've heard this too, it's horrible. I've been there before, addicted to sugar. It's all fun and games until you have too much, then it just sucks.

I've been sugar free -- that is, refined/raw sugars -- for a year now, due to health reasons. (explained below) Trust me, it was a HUGE struggle at first, but now I've adjusted and it isn't so bad. I love fruit and raw honey, so that gives me my sweet fix when I'm craving something. I also like using stevia sometimes too when I bake things, but I usually just stick to raw honey. Some days though I'd kill to have a candy bar or a donut or a huge slice of cake. (If I didn't feel like it'd kill me, I totally would.) It's good to avoid sugar, but it's not bad to indulge yourself every so often, in my opinion. It's all about finding balance, and I hope you can find that, Psyche.

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And more importantly, the dreaded candida and leaky gut syndrome.
^ I have dealt with both for a long time and it is absolutely horrible. In fact, almost one year ago exactly I was finally diagnosed with leaky gut after spending nearly 5 years sick off and on, my food choices becoming ever so gradually scarce because my body would eventually react to it. I saw 3 different special.ists (why was that censored???) all during that time period and not a one could figure out what was wrong with me and why I was developing so many food sensitivities out of the blue. I did have candida issues on top of that, but I got to the point where even the candida diet didn't even work for me. My doctor finally transferred me to a nutritionist who figured out my main issue. I've been with her since, following a strict diet tweaked to my needs and proper supplementation, and I can tell you this is the best I've felt since I was a kid.
This book This book
helped me A TON, she recommended it to me once I started following the program she put me on. Even if you don't have leaky gut, it is an incredibly fascinating read about the link between digestive issues and depression, anxiety, ocd, epilepsy, etc. It may not be the case for everyone, but in my case the anxiety and depression was mostly linked to my health issues. I cannot even believe how much my social anxiety and depression has improved in the past year. Granted, I still have my days where I feel horrible and/or panicky, but it's no where near as bad as it used to be.
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Old 02-18-2014
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Sugar addict here as well. I've been trying to change habits by drinking water instead of soda and eating less sweets, but the stress won't help. I know how you feel.
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